Nursing(NA/LPN/RN) vs Medical Assistant***VENT

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Hello all! Is anyone else annoyed by MA programs and the attitudes of Medical Assistants themselves??? I had a friend of a friend of mine, who is a medical assistant basically act like a B***h today. We were introduced to each other and she stated she was a medical assistant. She went on and on about how she could do more than most nurses could, worked directly under the doctor, yada, yada. She asked me what i did. I said "I'm an LPN." She then mentioned how she was "an equivalent of an RN in a doctor's office and MA was the next closest thing to an RN as you could get." Then this idiot had the nerve to say,"but LPN's are good too.":madface: I said "Excuse me?" and started a huge arguement. IN WHAT WORLD DOES NURSING LEVEL OF TRAINING GO RA, CNA, LPN, MA, & RN????? The only equivalent to an RN IS AN RN. LPN's are one step lower, not MA's. On top of that, I had one year of intensive training to be an LPN. This is coming from an MA who had ON THE JOB TRAINING ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!! She had no formal education whatsoever, she doesn't even have a high school diploma or GED. As an instructor of allied health training courses(EKG, Phlebotomy, NA), I am appalled at what they teach in these MA classes. She said the MA she trained under was told this in class. MA courses cost more than my LPN and they are not even required to take a course in my state. ANYONE, including people with horrible criminal backgrouds, can work if the doctor says its ok. No education needed just need to be signed off on skills. Skills such as drawing blood, EKG, injections, etc. How is that I can take a year of med administration class, pharm, anatomy, etc but I am not qualified according to BON to do veinapunctures, but some yahoo without any GED, education, or formal training can do it after being watched as little as one time????? This should not be legal. I think all MA's should be regulated and required to have certain hours of training, or eliminate all MA positions. A CNA or an LPN can do the same things in my state with the PROPER, DOCUMENTED additional training. Long rant but set me on edge like nothing else. I just looked at her and walked away.:mad:

PS. Not looking down on CNA's, LPN's, RN's, people with backgrounds, people with no Diplomas or GEDS. You have what you have. I was the 1st person EVER in my family to graduate high school. Everyone's life situations are different . Just saying that certain positions with life or death consequences should have a certain level of education and training.

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.

Bottom line- it is unprofessional (beacuse of the lack of professional standards set by ancilliary support educational programs) and legally, it is misrepresentation. As soon as a major medical clinic closes shop after losing a suit because an MA performs an action that results in severe harm, that action being within scope of practice, but with sequelae that are under the domain of nursing, we'll see a change.

Like most things, its all cool, until someone gets sued (don't worry about the loss of function/life/hospital admission, that's all incidental...).:icon_roll

Specializes in school nursing, home health,rehab, long-.

I wonder if the MA's are aware that it is illegal to call themselves nurse when they in fact are not?

Just curious.

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.

In 9 of 10 cases, I would really doubt it. There are some really competent MAs (I was one) but there are more former KMart shopping cart herders.

Specializes in Ambulatory (Urgent care) & Home Health.

I wonder if the MA's are aware that it is illegal to call themselves nurse when they in fact are not?

Just curious.

No, most don't know and REALLY believe they are a type of nurse, I swear no joke. As i mentioned in another post at my clinic they actually have business cards at the "nurses station" that say nurse, dont trip i already reported it to the nursing and medical board and nothing has been done yet. I can honestly they are ignorant when it comes to what their job is and what a nurses job is even the docs at my job call us nurses constantly, its absolutely rediculous. Soon i will be the only licensed nurse in the clinic (theres about 10-12 docs and anytime) I'll have to stay for a little while because i live in Los Angeles and apparently LVN jobs are hard to come by.

Specializes in Oncology.

I'm doing practicum for my NP program at a doctor's office that extensively uses MAs currently. There's another student at the office also, doing an internship as part of her undergrad biology program. She made a comment about what of the MAs, referring to them as nurses. I told her they weren't nurses, they were MAs. She said, "So? Same thing." I had to take a few deep breathes before I started answering her.

I'd attribute her cocky attitude to deeply-masked jealousy.

In addition, she might be able to do plenty of cool skills, but this does not help her fit into the nursing hierarchy. Medical assistants are a part of the medical model of care provision, and nurses are part of the nursing model.

Nurses are not paid for what we do. We are paid for what we know.

Isn't what we do, as a result of what we know? If your statement be true, then why do most hospitals insist upon experience?( Just playing advocate here, no biggie)

I also have worked as an MA for 8 years prior to becoming a RN and there are A LOT of ma's who think they are "nurses" and everytime I would here it I just laughed to myself. I never considered myself a nurse although as a MA there are a lot of "nursing tasks". Everyone works their butts off and yes we have different titles but obviously this person is just cocky and ignorant. not worth your frustration and being upset. Brush it off and move on.

I graduated with an Associates in Medical Assisting two years ago. Unlike somebody who posted here earlier in the thread about taking a couple of open book quizes, my program was pretty tough and it was a two year program. In retrospect, I wish I'd have gone ahead and applied for nursing school right then and there. There are many skills that were taught to us that nursing students are taught in the beginning of the year (different types of injections, venipunctures, charting, vitals, OSHA standards and so on). But we were told repeatedly by our instructors never to call ourselves nurses because we aren't. I have never called myself a nurse.

I don't really agree with the MA who calls herself or a nurse or care for her attitude but in some way I can understand where she's coming from if she went through a difficult program. We're basically people who have had a lot of training, learned so many skills... to the point where I was giving pointers to my friend who was in nursing school at the same time about venipuncture... but once in a professional setting, we're not allowed to use said skills because we're not nurses and so people typically look down on us because face it, few MAs go to school and acquire those skills. Most of us are stuck with filing jobs, all because we don't have the RN credentials.

It's one of the reasons I'd like to go to nursing school. I feel like I know too much and can do so much more but I'm not allowed to do much at all as an MA.

PS: I'm not saying I know everything a registered nurse knows. Obviously, I'd be a real nurse if I did :) But from the tone of this thread, I would like to say that a lot of us medical assistants do know more than people would like to think we do.

Specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.

Well you are the rare MA program. MA was created so that doctors offices could hire someone for cheap without the "unneeded" extra education/ability of a nurse. The plan: push skills and remove time spent imparting the underlying understanding in favor speedy production and a class on medical billing codes and filing. That's why MD offices will hire an EMT and train them on the job for the same role as a MA... heck there are 4 different organizations that will certify an MA in the US. Standards?

Sure, a few MA programs will push excellence, just like you can get BSN in paramedicine while most medics have no degree or maybe an AAS. Such greatness is usually, sadly, wasted; at any rate, it is not the norm.

The CC near me has a MA certificate program that requires 45 credits with no prereqs. Sounds hefty? 20 of those credits are about filing, billing, computer, communication, and clerical skills. Throw in 4 credits of "Basic A&P" without lab, psych, "pharm", and lab test training... there's only have 11 credits for clinical skills and clinicals while having ZERO theory/patho classes. That's fine for an MA's role.

What does it take to turn that into an associates? Career math, English comp I, two art classes and an ecology class. That is why it is an AAS.

Well, my program included the pathology and physiology/anatomy classes, too. But like you said, a rare program and valuable skills learned than I can't use anywhere. Honestly, the only good thing I can take from this is that those learned skills will help me a lot should I be accepted into nursing school.

Specializes in Occupational Health, LTC.
Bottom line- it is unprofessional (beacuse of the lack of professional standards set by ancilliary support educational programs) and legally, it is misrepresentation. As soon as a major medical clinic closes shop after losing a suit because an MA performs an action that results in severe harm, that action being within scope of practice, but with sequelae that are under the domain of nursing, we'll see a change.

Like most things, its all cool, until someone gets sued (don't worry about the loss of function/life/hospital admission, that's all incidental...).:icon_roll

Amen!!!!!!!! I couldn't have said it better.

I am a Lpn. I work in a dr office. There are 4 other MAs. When pts call the office; and they want to talk to a "nurse" 9 times out of 10 they are talking to the MA...so does the pt really understand that they are not legally "nurses????

I love over all working with the MAs that I work with...to me we are all equal...but I know if could work some where else where I would make more money due to my being a Lpn

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