Advice from someone who hires

After years of hard work, you finally graduate from nursing school and in spite of rosy predictions of a great job market, you're finding it's really hard to find a job. Maybe even worse than finding a spot in nursing school, or harder than passing the NCLEX. I hire employees and I know what goes on on the other side of the application process. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

First, you probably read books about putting a resume together, or even hired someone to polish yours. Those are good steps, but to set yourself apart from the masses, you need to do more. Before you even start writing your resume, talk to your friends, classmates, professors and employers. Ask them what they perceive your strengths to be. Take inventory of ALL your skills and accomplishments. Women in particular have a hard time promoting themselves. Don't be shy. Start an informal list of your achievements. If you won awards, jot that down; if your GPA was high, put a little check mark beside that, did you spend time supervising others? Think hard... this doesn't have to be a job title, just a job responsibility. Compile your resume in the way that best suits your skills. If you're a young new grad without work experience find a resume template that highlights your academic history; ditto for someone with vast work experience.

While you're talking to those professors and employers, ask their permission to use them as a reference. Get their preferred contact information. Don't limit yourself to a few people because you don't want to ask the same people for letters over, and over. (It's flattering to be asked, but time consuming to actually write letters for people. Have a number of references you can rotate through as needed.) And, of course, don't have them contacted by prospective employers until the end of the hiring process.

Now, decide what kind of job you want. There are thousands of people out there who apply for every job they find. You may feel anxious, but casting your net too far and wide won't bring many calls for interviews. There is a reason for this, which I'll explain later. Be realistic in your expectations. You probably have a sense for what jobs are most desirable and where competition is intense (Labor & Delivery, peds, etc.) If this is your goal, it'll be even harder to land your dream job. Not to say those jobs are impossible to find as a new grad, but there are many others applying for them. If your ultimate goal is a job with lots of competition, find another way in: if you want to work in a NICU, maybe start at a Children's Hospital working with more difficult patients. Once you figure out where you want to be, concentrate your efforts to those jobs. Write your resume with that in mind. Using the peds example, focus your resume on your experience with kids; your peds rotation, and any other experience you have that shows you're interested in children.

Now, scour the ads, but don't limit yourself to posted or advertised jobs. Talk to everyone you know, tell them what you're looking for and ask if they have any leads. When you do hear of a possibility, focus on that one job as you write your cover letter. Talk about why you fit into THAT organization, talk about their mission, their organizational structure and why you want to work THERE. (You can find organization's mission statements on their websites and learn other details about them, too.) So, your letter reads something like, "I share Washington Hospital's committment to serving the underserved memebers of the community..." Then talk briefly about your volunteer experience giving flu shots to uninsured patients through your church's medical efforts. You want to make sure you set yourself apart from the other applicants. Your cover letter should be less than one page of easy to read text (no tiny font!)

Making your application specific to an employer or organization is time consuming, but it pays off. This is why you want to be specific in your job hunting efforts. When people tell me they sent out 2000 applications, I know that virtually all of them were read briefly and put in the 'big pile'. You're better off sending 20 specific applications than 2000 general ones.

After you send your resume and cover letter, follow up with another letter expressing continued interest. You may even make one phone call to check in. If you hear nothing after three months, send another resume and a new cover letter (can be basically the same, just tweak it to say you're still intersted in working for them). Tell them you're available for an interview and be upbeat, professionally enthusiastic and pleasant.

Speaking of professional, please do NOT include emoticons, or write your cover letter on pink stationary (honest, I've seen this!) When someone is looking through a pile of resumes (whether electronic or hard copy), the first ones cut are those with such glaring unprofessional appearances, or terrible spelling or grammar.

And, if you're lucky enough to be invited for an interview, wear something professional. A suit is better than slacks and a blouse, but do not show up in jeans! Even though it may be perfectly acceptable to wear jeans to class, to restaurants, etc., it is NOT OK to wear jeans to a job interview. If you have to borrow something or even buy a suit at Goodwill, it would be a great idea... trust me! The person interviewing you will notice what you're wearing.

When you get home from the interview, write a thank you note to the person who you spoke with (or several notes if you were interviewed by several people). Thank them for their time, express your strong desire to work there, and express that you look forward to their decision and "if there is anything else I can do..." If you don't hear something in a week, email or phone them and politely ask if they have made a decision and that you're very anxious to be part of their team.

Yes, writing multiple, specific letters is time consuming, but there is a pay-off. Think of it like this: would you rather get a generic birthday card from someone with a stamped signature? or open a card that you know was chosen just for you and had a handwritten note inside saying what a great friend you are?

Best of luck to all!

Specializes in Public Health Nurse.

After reading this post, I wish I could send you my resume for your to review and make suggestions on it.

This is a great post and I will keep it in mind.

I have been in the same position for over 20 years, and until some years ago, I decided to go back to school and become an RN. I am graduating this month :D (come on I had to add this emoticon).

I hope that being in the same company for this long will tell my future employer that I am dependable and stable and my age (48 years old) that I am mature. More than anything, I wish that they see that I can be competent as well.

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I can't say what others do, but I can say what they should do. The manager gave you hope; they asked you to come in for an interview and you had to pay for gas, a sitter, parking, take 3 or 4 hours out of your day, and basically be a nervous wreck for the days before and after (interviewing is stressful, especially when you really need a job). So, for all your efforts you DESERVE a call back saying, "We're still interviewing candidates... " or, "I'm sorry, we offered the position to another person, but we will keep your application...." or, "We decided not to fill the vacancy at this time..." But tell the person something! And, that 'something' should be clear and honest, no beating around the bush about, "We haven't decided yet, but we'll call you...." Just like people who don't know how to break up with a person they've been seeing, being honest with an applicant can be uncomfortable... and just like wondering, "Will he/ she ever text me back?" job applicants who are left in limbo are not being treated fairly. If the manager doesn't have the guts to pick up the phone, they could at least leave it by saying, "We'll be making our decision by Tuesday morning, you will hear from us by Tuesday at noon if we decide to hire you." At least the torture doesn't last forever.

As far as your question about background checks: yes, employers usually do that after an applicant is chosen or on the 'short-list'. Same goes for contacting your references. Because employers can be very selective, they can do such things as visit your Facebook page and check out all those pictures of you partying with a bottle in one hand and something smoldering in the other. Make sure your privacy setting is restricted. (On that note, employers have been know to actually ask for an applicant's Facebook password! And, while you're sitting there, or on your way home, they can see everything you don't want anyone to see. Unfair? Probably. Illegal? No.) Chances are it won't happen to you (it's a pretty unusual and rare request, but has happened), but if you refuse you probably won't be getting the job. Another word about background checks: along with your criminal history, prospective employers can find out if you've sued anyone (including past employers), if your financial credit history is good or not, and if you left an apartment without paying your rent. Again, because they can be selective, and they don't want to hire someone with questionable ethics. Fair? Again, maybe not (depending on your perspective), but it happens regularly.

Good luck with your search!

Specializes in LTC, Agency, HHC.

Thanks, that helps. I found out the Executive Director (whom I interviewed with) is leaving, and the new building hasn't even opened yet. What do I do in this case?

I am very interested in the job, I think it would be a great fit for me (but I know, I don't make that decision.)

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@lvn2bsoon: Typically, when a director or manager is in transition (either on their way in, or out) their duties are somewhat reduced. The new director wants to make her own hiring decisions, so the departing one will put hiring on hold to give the new director that privilege... when the new director is in place, she will be so overwhelmed with all the duties of the job it may take her a little while to get oriented before she makes any decisions. So patience is needed.... but you don't want to miss the opportunity.

What I would suggest is sending a note to the current (departing) director expressing your interest in the position. Don't say anything about her leaving--what if this is just a rumor? THAT mistake could result in never hearing from her again! Be very enthusiastic, but brief. Two paragraphs, no more! First paragraph: "I was impressed with your facility and organization and I would very much like to be a part of XYZ Health Systems... etc...." Second paragraph: "Again, thank you for giving me the opportunity to meet with you... etc... I look forward to hearing from you about the LPN position I applied for. Sincerely, ....

Then wait. You probably won't hear from her if she is, indeed, leaving the position. After your little birdie tells you she left and her replacement is installed (I assume you have a friend who works at this facility, and you didn't plant an electronic listening device in her office!), get the name of the new ED. Don't contact her in the first week of her arrival (she'll be so overwhelmed you may be overlooked--then it would be pushy to call/ write to her again). So, when she's there her second or third week, send her a note saying you interviewed for a job, you're excited about the possibility of working there, and you're available for an interview with her so she can meet you, directly.

The timing of this is difficult; it's a stab in the dark. If they are really short-handed, they may hire during the transition period... if not, they'll probably wait a few weeks. You just have to guess when to contact the new ED... this is why I suggest waiting a couple weeks--but no more than that.

There is a fine line between 'enthusiastic' and 'pest'. It's like trying to win the attention of the handsome kid in high school... you need to be visible and upbeat, but not tugging on his sleeve, pestering him. What one person deems to be 'enthusiasm' another might perceive to be 'pest'. If you write to each director (outgoing and incoming) one time and you hear nothing, then move on, as it would then appear that they either hired someone else or decided not to fill the position at this time. You might get a surprise phone call after two or three months (or more), but don't wait around for it. I'm always disappointed when I hear managers not having the decency to tell an applicant, "Sorry, we won't be hiring you for this position." Yep, it stings, but waiting in vain is worse.

Specializes in LTC, Agency, HHC.

Patti, thanks so much for this information! The ED is leaving, there is an ad for her position online. I am always hesitant to apply for a company whose staff is leaving before they even open their doors. I am also hesitant on working for a company who can't keep staff. My old place of employment, we went though a DON and admissions director every year, and an administrator every 2 years. I stayed on because I liked the job, but after being denied promotions because I wasn't an RN, and the company putting other LPN's in the job role I was more than qualified for, I left. This company is still looking for staff....and one I won't ever go back to.

I do need to put my volunteer work on my resume, I didn't even think about that until you said so in your original post. What heading does that go under?

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You can either enter your volunteer work chronologically along with your paid employment, or have a section of your resume "Employment History" and another "Volunteer Experiences" (or whatever you want to name them).

There are arguments for and against both resume styles and you never know which the person reading your resume prefers. Some people say that volunteer work is 'work' and that if anything it's even more of a committment than paid employment--especially if it's not required by your high school (or court ordered community service! Yikes!) It is, after all, a job and a duty and you gain experience as you serve others. Others say it either deserves its own section on a resume because it is 'above and beyond' regular employment... and others say it should be in its own section so not to be confusing.

Personally, I like seeing it listed under a separate heading, and in the identical format as paid work experience. That gives the hiring manager the impression that you see this as a 'real job' not some social event you showed up for on occasion. So, in the exact format you outlined your paid work experience, have the job title and company you worked for in bold font along with the dates of service, then list your duties and accomplishments underneath. It should look exactly like a job, but it should be listed under a the catagory of 'volunteer work'.

And, as an aside to the comment I made about your volunteer work being of your own free will, there is no way to say that in your resume, but it speaks volumes to others when you're volunteering because you want to, not because you have to. If volunteerism is a big part of your experience or an important part of your experience, you may want to say that in a cover letter (too late in applying for this position, but next time!) In a cover letter you might say, "I am passionate about providing health care to underserved rural populations and I have spent 5 years volunteering for..." It gives them a picture of who you are and why you volunteer. And, if you can mention it in your interview, I'd do the same--mention your efforts and say why you volunteer(ed). Fairly or not, when I see a resume with two years of volunteer work in an applicant's final two years of high school, I dismiss it as 'your school made you do this', not 'you wanted to do this'. But, when I see that volunteer work continue through their college years and after their graduation, I have a very positive impression.

Good luck!

Thank you so much for taking the time to help students and new grads with the job application process! This post really helped me to understand what exactly a person who hires is looking for. My goal is to get hired as a new grad in L&D so I know I am going to need all the help I can get. It makes sense that writing personalized thank you notes is such an important factor to help you stand out in the crowd. Great tip! Also, I have never owned a suit, but always thought a professional blouse and dress pants were just as good. Now I know a suit is a much better option. Thanks again for all the wonderful advice!

I have my nurse degree for two years and I found job almost right away. So I work for almost two years in dialysis unit in Greece. The system works entirely different from USA. Nurses are underestimated and we have schools in which you can take a nurse degree in two years. And they can work wherever they want and they also have the same job as we do who studied in forth year university. Maybe I gave you a hint how things work in Greece. Can you inform me how things work exactly there? I am considering the possibility of find a job in an other country..

Thank you

Well yes, I'm old. And yes, I'm old-fashioned. But yes, I did hire for both a Home Health Agency and a LTC before I landed this piece of cake job to breeze into my retirement.

Some of the "deal breakers" that I never discussed openly in any way, were: applicants with children or friends in tow at the interview, applicants with facial piercings (eyebrows, lips, nostrils), and applicants with tattoos on their hands, neck or face. In my "old biddy" opinion, those things just didn't portray professionalism.

There were always more applicants than jobs available, and it was just my "thing". I'm sure other people who hire have "pet peeves" too. You can't tell what they are, but with piles of applications and a few jobs, in my humble opinion the person doing the hiring will try to pick the ones that he/she feels are the most professional, all other things being equal.

Then they say I will call you tomorrow, and then never call. You call to check into the position again and to let them know you are still interested and they never get back to you.

How professional is that?... Not only are you interviewing me, I am also interviewing you. If you can't call when you say you will, or return my calls, how are you with your regular staff? That is really professional. And yet, the interviewer expects the interviewee to be professional.

I'm curious about this as well. At the end of 2011 I applied to a new grad program at a local hospital (one of the biggest names in the area) and heard nothing back, not even a letter of rejection. I tried to inquire via email but was ignored. This was a big turnoff but I decided to apply again to the next (2012) cohort because it's been almost a year since I graduated and I need a job. This time I was contacted for an interview, which went as well as I could have hoped for. I dressed professionally, used correct spelling and grammar, and started preparing for the interview 5 days in advance so I was prepared for all the questions I was asked.

However, the interviewer robotically read all questions from a list, interrupted me to answer a page in the middle of my interview, and told me they'd notify all interviewees on Friday, even those who didn't make the cut. Now it's Tuesday and I've still heard nothing.

I just had to vent... Since hospitals have their pick of the litter these days, many seem to think they no longer have to be professional and treat their applicants with respect.

So... Assuming we've followed all the advice in the original post for this thread... what's next? What do we do when we've spent countless hours/weeks/months crafting detailed and personalized job applications, networking and reaching out, and are still unemployed with no end in sight?

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@maria_pap, I lived in Europe for quite a few years so I have some understanding of the nursing profession and government requirements for employment (both in some European countries and here, in the US).

The United States system is fairly similar to that of Europe--there are several paths of entry into nursing and several levels of nursing--most of which have counterparts on the other side of the Atlantic. Paths to entry in nursing in the USA range from a two year diploma to 4 or more years at a university--very similar to that of Europe.

The problem isn't that foreign trained nurses aren't qualified or that the work is dramatically different, but working in the United States as a foreign/ immigrant nurse is politically unlikely. Some nurses here who are citizens and fluent English speakers are having a very difficult time finding employment. Typically countries restrict employment visas to those who have a very unique skill, and the sponsoring company (who agrees to hire the foreign worker) must prove they exausted all possibilities of hiring a citizen with the appropriate skills. With so many qualified and capable US nurses looking for jobs, that is virtually impossible.

Since Greece is an EU country, your best bet may be to find a nursing position in another EU country. The United States has had strict restrictions on immigration and work visas for decades. Very few Americans would support hiring non-citizens for work that can be done by competent and well-trained Americans.

OMG I started reading this and now I'm panicking a little! I'm a student nurse- I'll be graduating this May. Our clinical professors told us not to ask for letters of recommendation until we knew where we would be applying, and for which specific positions. Now that I'm actually going to start needing those letters, I can only hope my professors still remember me- not to mention my strengths! I don't have much work OR volunteer experience, and I have NO IDEA how to make my resume stand out to potential employers!

If anyone has any great advice- I'm all ears!