The Doctor oncall told me not to call him

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I want to know if anyone can help me handle this situation. I work in a small 3 bed ICU where I am the ONLY nurse. I recently had two critically ill patients. One had been on the floor (I had worked there one night and had her) and been transfered to the ICU with CP and ekg changes prior to my arrival that night. The cardiologist said the changes were not new, nor indicative of an MI.Her orginal DX was Vomiting and diarrhea. Upon arrival to the unit, I noted the patien's LOC was decreased and told it was because she had been given ativan for confusion and aggitation. I noted her adbomen was large, distended and hard, she was tachycardic and her BP was much lower than her baseline (noramally hypertensive.) I called the Md and reported these findings. Her H&H was WNL, but she was pale, grey and cool. I requested an NGT, but was told to "continue to give dulcolax as she had an ilieus and he wanted to get her bowels moving." The patient continued to deterioate and I called him to inform him there was no UOP over the past hour. He ordered lasix. I ended calling him at least 6 times as it was fairly obvious I had a GI bleed on my hands and I needed orders to take care of this patient. I kept the shift supervisor informed, but they were short on the floor and he had patients and told me I would just have to keep calling the Doctor. IV access was lost 4 people attempted to restart to no avail, Lab was unable to get blood from anywhere, including fingersticks, and I needed a central line and could not get anyone to come in and place one. And her left hand turned purple and pulseless over the course of the shift, a fact I reported everytime I called. The next night, I was told by the shift supervisor that this doctor was oncall again and had said I was not to call him that night for any reason as I had kept him up all night and he was sleep deprived. He said I was to write orders for anything I pleased and he would sign them in the morning! I got in trouble the next day because the patient's BP dropped into the 40's and I called HIM at 2300! I can't believe this. The is no protocol in place that would have allowed me to write an order for Dopamine and this patient was a full code.

Cat, as a Yankee born nurse working in the south, let me say I totally empathize. We talk too fast, too loud and too much. We take too much on ourselves. 'Nurses have no business listening to lung sounds as we don't know what were doing.' (This was from a cardiologist in ICU) Too many facilities here do not support assertive, patient advocate nurses, in fact they tend to punish them.

I had to learn to really walk a line here down south....'Yes doctor' or similar reply to management is the preferred response. I know it's not easy...look out for yourself and be the best nurse you can be in the situation without sabotaging yourself accidentally.

Personally I could not stay at this facility you describe. Eventually I predict your charting will come under fire (you are criticizing the doctors..and eventually the facility will feel the heat when the charting becomes known to the higher ups...and then it's...'you can't do that...we're a family here and you're not being a team player'.. blah blah) Can you tell I've heard this before? LOL!

Hope you move on to a place with a better support system. If you can't I urge you to be very careful. We can't always fight in these situations without becoming a casualty ourselves...not without a union behind us.

I don't care how many times you wake up a dr, he's the dr! Always cover your own. No one else will do it for u!

Specializes in PACU/Cardiac/Nrsg. Mgmt./M/S.

wake him/her up! that is what they are paid for..that is how they earn their living..that is why they get the big bucks, and we don't.

call and call again if necessary...you have a responsibility to the patient..

too bad, the doc doesn't think so....

Sounds to me like you were the only person in the hospital who didn't know the patient was dying and was only going to get end of life care.

In the ICU?

Originally posted by catrn10

There is only one doctor in the hospital at night, the ER Doctor, and He wasn't Checked off to do central lines.

Wow talk about a little jewel of a hospital !!!

An ER Doctor that can't do central lines?????

Do they have electricity there or do you do everything by candlelight????

Sounds like you had a real mess on your hands....I personally would have kept calling the doctor until he didn't answer me anymore.... then I would have called the doctor in charge of the ICU. If that all does not work.....the thing that is the worse thing to do..... but seems to work most of the time..... Push the little blue button on the wall and call a code.... sounds bad to do but then you are involving another doctor who HAS to take responsiblity for this crashing patient.

Also charting charting charting......and I would also fill out an incident report....just telling your supervisor is not enough... risk management needs to get involved with this mess.

It might also be a good time to start researching into standing protocols for your ICU. If you have a good MD in charge of your ICU then this should not be a problem.

Originally posted by SCB

Did the patient live? If not I would see a lawyer, and the family of the patient. All be da-- if I would this jerk get away with this. That could be you, me, or a loved one in that sick bed. I would most definitaly not let this one die down. This MD is dangerous.

My fear would be the hospital would pull the RN into the law suit and find something he/she did wrong... even with the best documentation.... the lawyer for the hospital would be looking for a scape goat.... and so would the MD's lawyer.....

Old saying...... stuff that comes from rectum rolls down hill....

Originally posted by Brownms46

I had a neurosurgeon scream at me in the chilling voice I have ever heard in my life. He admitted a GSW to the head to the ICU and I was assigned this pt. The little boy was on a vent, and had an NS IV at KVO. His head was wrapped in an ace, and brain matter was coming from his nose. The Neuro has sent verbal orders via the transferring ER nurse, to not call him! Of course this There were NO orders at all...NONE except. His B/P started to fall...and you guess it...I called him!! I have never heard anyone scream in such a manner and the way he did except on some fright nite show! I hung up on him, and called the supervisor. This was back in 1997 and I don't remember what else happened. I just remember hearing the way he screamed...telling me HE's DEEEEAAAAAADDDD! Don't YOU get it??? He's DEAAAAAAD! Then why was he placed in an ICU bed on a vent with no figging orders at all???

The little boy was supposedly 14 yrs old and had a license, but he looked like he was about 8 or 9! He father was killed at the scene by a transient. His sister was found in shock by neighbors.:(

OMG...what a horrible night for you...I can certainly understand why you will probably never ever forget that night...jeesh I hope this guy caught h*ll from the Chief of Staff or from the Medical Board..what a monster.

woo...

"Did the patient live? If not I would see a lawyer, and the family of the patient. All be da-- if I would this jerk get away with this. That could be you, me, or a loved one in that sick bed. I would most definitaly not let this one die down. This MD is dangerous"

Be real careful of doing anything like this. Your SBON would consider it a breach of confidentiality and you'd get your license pulled. You don't discuss the doctor's actions or patient outcomes with *anyone* outside those who are immediately responsible for the care.

We have to remember that our licenses do not cover practicing medicine, which means we cannot write orders on our own. Most of us know enough that we could just about write every order ever given by an md, but we follow the rules because we know thats the way it has to be done.

You could be just as liable if you write pages of orders that you feel are appropriate for that pt without the md's actual order.

If the md is a jerk to tell you not to call, he'll probably be the same way when it comes to siging the orders. Lets say you ordered something inappropriate or missed something, then he might just say "i didnt give this order" and then you'd be in more trouble than before.

Carazzzy thread...especially for a newbie, like me!! I understand this MD needed to see his client...but....How come these MD's don't have a fax at the bedside for orders?? Is faxing not allowed?

Ps: Bless you for your efforts!!

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