sleeping staff - page 5
It's incredible! just went down stairs to use their xerox machine and everyone of their staff members is sound asleep, all wrapped up in blankets and "Mouth Wide Open." They just don't care about... Read More
Apr 6, '03I worked nights for years... the only nurse for 65 pts in LTC. I never even got a lunch break in over two years. Sleeping? What @$$holes.
Apr 6, '03Originally posted by BritishStudent
MMmmmm, Is anyone familiar with micro-sleep?
Acording to this text book im taking a gander at, staff working long night shifts (8 hours, plus) experiance micro-sleep beacuse the mind wont allow it to engage in full sleep. starting at a fraction of a second and increasing in duration as the person gets more and more tired, so inner a manner, everyone sleeps on a night shift
Well, as the only nurse for 65 pts in LTC, and the only nurse for 11-13 acutely ill med/surg pts, How could I possibly be "micro sleeping" running at a break-neck pace with a heart rate that never drops below 120 all noc?
I finally took a day shift job where I actually get to take a lunch once in awhile.
I worked nocs for ten years, and never once slept. In my experience, nocs is much busier than days, no ancillary depts or staff, and way more pts per nurse
And someone here complained of only "two breaks in a 12 hr shift"? Many nocs, I've had no break at all.
Jeez, count your blessings.
Apr 6, '03Thanks guys for restoring my faith!!! If the supervisor is such a weanie that she won't fire someone she sees sleeping - I'd be outta there, because what other unprofessional behavior would she tolerate.
Apr 6, '03Resigning won't solve the problem. The next facility will have the sleepers there too. After 28 yrs at this place I'm not about to up and leave because of someone elses's stupidity. One thing I am thankful for is that they aren't on MY unit. Maybe after I keep submitting memos someone will get tired of reading them and do something about it before it's too late.
Apr 6, '03Where I work, some people sleep, others don't. It's about choice!
European Union (EU) regulations state that people cannot work for more than 6 hours without a break. What you do on your break IS YOUR BUSINESS. You can leave the ward during the day for a break, but you can't on a night as there is nowhere to go. Ergo if you want to spend your break sleeping, you should be allowed. As long as patient safety isn't compromised, what's the problem? A well rested nurse is a better nurse. If I go all night without a break, I feel awful.
Apr 6, '03It seems kind of odd that so many people think that because they work in a crappy environment, then everyone else should too. It's like crabs in a bucket! Guess what? Some of us actually work in humane environments where we get our break and are able to do what we like with it.
Apr 6, '03Ok fire the nurses that sleep...on their break or off their break....who you going to get to replace them? I seem to remember a little thing about a nursing shortage. As it is we are short enough staffed. And as for taking breaks. I take my breaks. I am entitled to them and have earned them. It is stupid to be so self sacraficing and altruistic as to not take care of yourself. And before anyone says anything, I am not a new nurse and I have worked both nights and days and I have worked in Level 1 trauma ER's and ICU's. There have been times....VERY FEW of them when I could not take a break but those are very few and far between. If you do not take care of yourself, who will? I have covered patients for nurses that needed to sleep and even have had to sleep myself before. It is called TEAMWORK. Boy am I ever glad you guys do not work for me with some of these attitudes.. your life would be miserable having to deal with a laid back person like me.....
Apr 6, '03NightOwl - don't you understand that you are condoning this behavior??? You too must share the responsibility when something horrendous happens because you KNOW they are sleeping.
Dave - glad you don't work for me. You'd be history if you slept. Sorry, that won't be tolerated anywhere I work.
It still really gets to me that there are so many unprofessional nurses here. And, I bet you guys are the first to complain and whine when you are treated as a professional. If you work nights, either sleep during the day or don't work nights. You guys are giving me high blood pressure and I worry so much about your pts while you sleep.
Apr 6, '03If anyone sleeps @ our facility they get fired...it just seems so simple to me:if you can't stay awake at night/work days...the end..lol
Apr 6, '03Trauma, unprofessional is not insisting on taking what you are entitled to. We are entitled to take breaks and if my coworkers want to use theirs to nap I could care less. We all rotate days and nights and I have never heard anyone complain about what a nurse wants to do with her breaktime. Patients are not put in jeaopardy because we take breaks when the time is appropriate. I worry about the patients whose nurses never take breaks and are too exhausted to think straight and would not work in a facility where this was the routine.Last edit by fergus51 on Apr 6, '03
Apr 6, '03It's easy to say don't work nights if you can't go a full shift without sleep, but some of us work rotating shifts and don't have the luxury of being able to refuse nights. The staff that do our rotas think nothing of putting you on for PM/AM/PM then 4 nights, with no regard for the health and safety of us or our patients. We are never given enough time to prepare properly for the night shift routine, nor to come back to days. Yes, we have challenged this practice; no, it didn't make a lick of difference.
We get unpaid breaks on a ten-hour night shift, and generally we get those breaks. We take them as one longer break, and the choice to sleep on your break, in your own time, is yours. The ward is always covered by at least two other staff (one RN, one AN) when breaks start, and the proviso for going on break is being aware that you may be called back if needed. This is different from day shift where we can leave the ward and be uncontactable for our whole break.
Sleeping when not on breaks is unacceptable. I think of how many times I've not heard a buzzer go off when I'm wide awake on a day shift, and it scares me how easy it would be to miss one even if you are a light sleeper with exceptionally sensitive hearing. I don't condone it and I wouldn't expect to be let off lightly if it was me.
Apr 6, '03If you are on your break, punched out, off the unit...sleep away. I could care less. If you are on company time be awake or be fired. If you are not on the clock...what could anyone possibly say unless you over sleep.
I love the post about "teamwork" covering for each other during sleeping....ummm..sounds more like "teamsleep" to me. Just a regular old slumber party.
Apr 6, '03If we do a "long day" at work 7am - 8.30pm, we have a concessionary 15 min break in the am and 15 min in the pm. We also have an hours UNPAID lunch. In this time we can go OFF the ward and go wherever (as we can with 15min concessionary). As we are not being paid for this hours work at lunch time, we can do what we want. What is the difference between this and sleeping for your break during the night? I am UNPAID for that break too. In fact, because we sleep on the ward (in the office), we are in fact closer to ward, and the rest of the staff can come and get us as they know where we are. Not so if you go off the ward for your lunch during the day. As long as patient safety isn't compromised and the ward is still adequatley staffed, WHAT'S THE BEEF??????? I am entitled to my break by EU law! Research shows that people who take a sleep break and are more refreshed for it, work better. If you don't want to sleep, don't. Just don't get on your high moral horse at others who like to sleep. Some people have to work nights as they rotate. I can't sleep during the day very well and value that extra hour in the night. Yer, I admit it, I AM HUMAN!