Philippine Board of Nursing to stop Second Coursers from taking up Nursing - page 7
I guess this is against the right of an individual who want to pursue nursing as a second course... what can you say?:angryfire... Read More
Mar 14, '08The cure is absolutely worst that the problem!
There are many ways to limit the number of enrollees. One, establish a quota system through entrance exams and/or interviews, and put the remaining candidates on a waitlist just like in UP, and colleges & universities here in the US. The selection process will not surely put the high school grads in an unfair ground. (It may be to their advantage as entrance exams are more patterned after the old NCEE and SAT.) It will put everybody -- from 17-45+ year-olds to have equal opportunity. Plus this may be another means for colleges/universities in PI to collect exam fees! If no. 1 is met, the Phils will regain its reputation for high qualifty nursing education. Two, not allow failing students to progress through junior and senior curricula, instead counsel them to take up courses more appropriate to them. If no. 2 is met, PRC will not have to deal with thousands of examinees, thus a fair time is allotted to look into the examinees records without delaying the process for ALL candidates.
Why do the schools in Phils are not doing these? Because, limiting the number of students trims down their profits. If this happens, the PRC's coffer will also tighten, and boom -- less money means less business.
My conclusion: Preventing thousands of hopefuls to becomes nurses is not going to happen and will never be!
Mar 14, '08why would someone who already had a degree-doctor,engineer,teacher,etc would want to take up nursing?
Mar 15, '08Quote from spongebob6286Because there are no opportunities for them in the Philippines, it's simple as that. And when I say opportunities these are job opportunities that offer reasonable compensation enough to actually raise a family.why would someone who already had a degree-doctor,engineer,teacher,etc would want to take up nursing?
Mar 16, '08Even during the cave man era, it was just human nature that the cave man does what he could to bring food for his family---years and years and years later, it is still the same---people will still be finding ways on how to be able to live and survive.
I believe that these are just all rumors. To date, there is no Philippine Law that will ban second coursers from taking up Nursing.
I admire people who would make drastic moves/changes just to ensure that their children's future is secure. I have encountered a number of stable and well-earning professionals in the Philippines who sacrificed to leave their stable job just so they could get out of the country (especially in the midst of the political crises and financial instability that they have in the Philippines) via taking up Nursing and being a nurse in a foreign land, together of course with their whole family. I think that people who just let them down are those people with envious thoughts and crab mentality---may God bless their soul!
Mar 16, '08But from the other side: not as much having to do with what is available, but what has given them a chance to get a green car much quicker for the US in the past. Now that is no longer the case and with a five year expected wait for a chance at a visa for the US.
And then they work for a short time here as an RN, and then leave to go and do something else once they have the green card in hand. We have seen it happen time and time again here as well.
Jul 17, '08i think its unfair for the 2nd coursers to bear the brunt of this phenomenon. i am a graduate of nursing, which is my second course. i worked my heart off to earn this degree just like anybody else. in fact, 2nd coursers from where i graduated have to work extra hard.
so, the people who want to stop second coursers from taking up nursing should provide better jobs, better pay and excellent work security for us to stay in our jobs.
and besides, who are they to say or determine that nursing is not in our hearts?
Jul 17, '08This is not a decision made by anyone here, but what your government is trying to do to clean things up there. An over abundance of programs were permitted to open but there have been issues with many of the programs there. As well as no jobs available for almost all.
And we keep seeing nurses wishing to go to other countries to work as care-givers as well, and that is nothing more than being a maid in most cases. Your government continues to sign agreements with other countries for this.
Nursing in your country now is mostly done as a volunteer or thru a training program that you must pay for. The paying jobs in many of the other countries require both the NLE as well as paid work experience; hard to get that now.
And the US is under a retrogression and the EU has a hiring freeze in place, so people realy need to consider what they are going to be doing before they even start the nursing program.
Best of luck to you.
Jul 18, '08There is also a proposal from one senator to introduce a requirement that nurses must have 10 years experience before they can leave the country. this is very rare in the Philippines, only a few nurses gain this level of work experience, demonstrating the apparent and obvious ignorance of the senators and politicians (who incidentialy must have a different agenda).
This and any other form of discrimination in the Philippine system are all a reflection on the government and the government alone. All are ridiculous to the point of ridiculing the very government that takes this action.
Further any restriction on who and what a prospective student can study or not study should be left to the learning institutions.
The unfortunate scenario is the government makes a lot of money and supports the Philippines with the compulsory remittances from the overseas workers, so anything that does not bring money to the Philippines always comes into the discussion. As nurses we face these and other challenges but should not lose sight of the purpose of our course.
It is also true that whilst the government often causes problems in the system, without the system we would have no way of accessing the overseas opportunities. so let's look at understanding the system and complying so we and our families can benefit from it.
Jul 18, '08well, i can say that each person deserves a better life. so we are up to the challenge. I am an undergrad when i studied for my BSN. i find it unfair because they will just study for 2 years. but the thing is they and well as every one else aspire of better life. so maybe the board of nursing doesn't have the right to stop them from taking the course but what they can do is to have them take the regular course which is the ffour or five year course of BSN.
Everyone deserved a better life! if you think you can leave your profession as a dcotor to have greener pastuer then it is your prerogative.. Nurses just have to find ways to eliminate competitions!
Jul 18, '08No one is saying not to look for a better life the problem arises when many countries ask for experience of 1-2 years and a country that has a over supply just can not provide that experience. Volunteering in most cases will not meet the requirement of experience
Jul 18, '08well, i can say that each person deserves a better life. so we are up to the challenge. i am an undergrad when i studied for my bsn. "i find it unfair because they will just study for 2 years. but the thing is they and well as every one else aspire of better life. so maybe the board of nursing doesn't have the right to stop them from taking the course but what they can do is to have them take the regular course which is the ffour or five year course of bsn."
i think what you forgot to realize here is that here in the phil. having a 1st course (bs biology,bsmt,etc) will eliminate all other subjects that a regular nursing student would have to take up be it a major or minor subject. so now, are you trying to say that if i already have a degree in let say pharmacy. i would have to take up, for ex. microbiology,chemistry, phil. history, and all other major/minor subjects all over again?just so as to be fair to you and every regular rn student.. yaiks!!! scary thought!
how then would the commission on higher ed create a 2nd courser bsn-rn program which would comprise of 4-5 year course? invent a specialty subject like microbiology the extended version or perhaps a subject called chemistry 101 for 2nd coursers only? i think they should make a new version of the periodic table first before making this a subject.
bottomline is that, undergrads and 2nd coursers have the same nursing subjects they both have to comply with the 2,703 hours of hospital duties. also, with the or/dr requirements, both have the same number of required duties.
so,as to the topic of stopping 2nd coursers from taking nursing as a degree. i guess the philippine board of nursing as a body would definitely have to pay off our dear congress, our honorable president (is honorable and horrible synonymous to this pres? ) for the charter change of the 1987 constitution and amend this right to education:
[color=#663366]section 5. (1) the state shall take into account regional and sectoral needs and conditions and shall encourage local planning in the development of educational policies and programs.
[color=#663366](2) academic freedom shall be enjoyed in all institutions of higher learning.
[color=#663366](3) every citizen has a right to select a profession or course of study, subject to fair, reasonable, and equitable admission and academic requirements. http://www.chanrobles.com/article14.htm
Jul 18, '08Not all second coursers have all of the science courses at all, we are seeing judges, accountants, attorneys, etc. all in second courser programs as a quick chance to get to the US and this is the reason that they did so and then got out of nursing as soon as they had the green card in hand.
The other issue is that there are some of the second courser programs that falsified documents that were submitted to your country as well as abroad.
You are looking at things from only one side and there are many more parts to it.
But what it comes down to is the fact that your government is not trying to close down some of these programs and strengthen the programs that will remain. They need to focus on the four year BSN programs first.
And since there are no jobs in your country for most in the field of nursing and not that many openings in other countries as well, things are going to be getting more difficult there as well.