Philippine Board of Nursing to stop Second Coursers from taking up Nursing

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you mean those with hospital affiliations can't offer 2nd degree nursing more than those without? i feel that's even stranger, don't you think so? they have the facility to accommodate the training so they should be more able to offer second course nursing. they can always do qualifying tests/evaluation of students to limit enrollment so there's no question about over-burdening their instructors (and keeping the QUALITY, too).

i think the first top school to adopt accelerated BSN for career shifters will be most progressive. btw, what has happened to uerm, feu and plm? would you know if these schools allow second coursers?

Not hospital affiliations but universities w/c have their own hospital like UP-PGH, UST hospital, etc.. Strange isn't it? That's why if your a 2nd courser you have to look elsewhere. (Those who stopped or shifted are not considered 2nd coursers - just in case someone comments)

I'm not sure on FEU, UERM, PLM but there one of the top schools too but most big universities don't offer 2nd degree programs. That's why 2nd coursers have to scramble on smaller, lesser known schools like Lanting, etc..

The good thing is most 2nd coursers are very focus and self-motivated so it really doesn't matter what school you go thru and most pass the local boards the 1st time around. This really proves that its really up to the student.

Not hospital affiliations but universities w/c have their own hospital like UP-PGH, UST hospital, etc.. Strange isn't it? That's why if your a 2nd courser you have to look elsewhere. (Those who stopped or shifted are not considered 2nd coursers - just in case someone comments)

I'm not sure on FEU, UERM, PLM but there one of the top schools too but most big universities don't offer 2nd degree programs. That's why 2nd coursers have to scramble on smaller, lesser known schools like Lanting, etc..

The good thing is most 2nd coursers are very focus and self-motivated so it really doesn't matter what school you go thru and most pass the local boards the 1st time around. This really proves that its really up to the student.

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that's quite true--a student's performance ultimately depends on his own effort. but given that 2 students, say, of equal ability, etc. (if at all there's a measure for that), with one going to a good school and the other to a bad one, we can readily predict that the one who attended the better school will have higher chance of succeeding. you can fool around with your haircut (it'll grow), your fashion sense (tell them you like being different) but your education??? i think that's a make or break.

yes, it's backward thinking that second coursers has become "in-your-face" sort of a reality BUT our "good" schools aren't responding well enough. i mean, if these good schools can come up with their version of BSN for second coursers, i know for sure that they will be a force to reckon with. substandard programs/schools will be forced to shape up (or ship out) and the nurses' education standard will be upped to a level that safeguards the competence of pinoy nurses, even allow the country to produce MORE of such competent kind (nope not merely numbers but numbers with quality).

all this time i'm advocating the idea that pinoys get their nursing degrees done in the phils. before coming to the us. but when asked where, i can't, for the life of me, give a confident answer. it's like telling someone that this is the way to go but mind you, there's quicksand and cannibals there, too, ok?

i guess we pinoys will just be special people. we will always love our family and our country...well....in some ways.

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that's quite true--a student's performance ultimately depends on his own effort. but given that 2 students, say, of equal ability, etc. (if at all there's a measure for that), with one going to a good school and the other to a bad one, we can readily predict that the one who attended the better school will have higher chance of succeeding. you can fool around with your haircut (it'll grow), your fashion sense (tell them you like being different) but your education??? i think that's a make or break.

yes, it's backward thinking that second coursers has become "in-your-face" sort of a reality BUT our "good" schools aren't responding well enough. i mean, if these good schools can come up with their version of BSN for second coursers, i know for sure that they will be a force to reckon with. substandard programs/schools will be forced to shape up (or ship out) and the nurses' education standard will be upped to a level that safeguards the competence of pinoy nurses, even allow the country to produce MORE of such competent kind (nope not merely numbers but numbers with quality).

all this time i'm advocating the idea that pinoys get their nursing degrees done in the phils. before coming to the us. but when asked where, i can't, for the life of me, give a confident answer. it's like telling someone that this is the way to go but mind you, there's quicksand and cannibals there, too, ok?

i guess we pinoys will just be special people. we will always love our family and our country...well....in some ways.

I totally agree with all you've said. Unfortunately, 2nd coursers have no choice since the doors are shut down and just compensate on doing good on the board exams and getting excellent grades on their transcripts.

If the graduate's ultimate goal is to be licensed in the US then the school doesn't matter as long it has produced good passing rates for their grads.

Having good grades while on school or passing the local boards doesn't automatically translate to passing the NCLEX anyway, although who wouldn't want to have good grades on a "prestigious" school.

One possible reason (among all other possible discriminating reasons) why these "big" schools doesn't want 2nd coursers on their program is that 2nd coursers tend to be "mature" and if my nursing school is a microcosm; 2nd courser students doesn't just let the school just "control" their lives and be taken advantaged of.

These 2nd coursers have a higher degree of education than any staff involved in the school. Most are MDs, lawyers, accountants, dentists, management course grads, etc.. so doing anything that might be perceived as "being taken advantaged of" by the school (including the affiliated hospital) is a no-no or else !! Not that 2nd coursers are demanding but they know their rights and demand for it and doesn't want to do anything that is not really a part of the curriculum.

hi lawrence1...second degree nursing's just too controversial at this time. for all we know, the schools are just waiting for one of their peers to start the ball rolling. like...who's going to blink first...

hi lawrence1...second degree nursing's just too controversial at this time. for all we know, the schools are just waiting for one of their peers to start the ball rolling. like...who's going to blink first...

I hope so but I hope it's not because of the possible income that comes with it;

getting a slice of the big market for 2nd coursers if I may say.

I doubt this though and the current talks are that they mayl accept 2nd coursers but will have to do the whole 4 yr program. In my opinion, this won't prosper esp. for high-degree 2nd oursers such as MDs and lawyers as they already know that it doesn't matter where you graduate but it's the training and whether you'll pass the foreign exams.

This big universities seem to specialize and focus too much on having high passing rates for the local boards and the foreign exams are a diff. monster and I doubt if they prepare their grads for these foreign exams. In the end, after the local boards, everyone will be equal and passing the foreign exams is the responsibility of the individual.

I hope so but I hope it's not because of the possible income that comes with it;

getting a slice of the big market for 2nd coursers if I may say.

I doubt this though and the current talks are that they mayl accept 2nd coursers but will have to do the whole 4 yr program. In my opinion, this won't prosper esp. for high-degree 2nd oursers such as MDs and lawyers as they already know that it doesn't matter where you graduate but it's the training and whether you'll pass the foreign exams.

This big universities seem to specialize and focus too much on having high passing rates for the local boards and the foreign exams are a diff. monster and I doubt if they prepare their grads for these foreign exams. In the end, after the local boards, everyone will be equal and passing the foreign exams is the responsibility of the individual.

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oh no...not 4-years, lawrence01! please....there's such a thing as accelerated nursing for degree holders. is this program a 'trademarked' idea only allowed in the united states? because if not, our top schools would be of great service to many pinoys by offering it locally. i wonder...

of course, money does play a big part of the decision to start offering their BSN as a second degree. you've got to pay competent teachers, have well-maintained classrooms and everything else that comes along with the reputation of being a respectable school.

i'm speculating that our top schools have recognized that profit potential for quite a while now except that they may just be cautious jumping the gun for being labelled as too obviously money-hungry? opportunista (of desperate pinoys)? or unpatriotic (contributory to "brain drain")? these names aren't too flattering for any scholarly institution, especially when they would come from their equally competitive peers. what they seem to fail to recognize is all the more they shut out 2nd degree nursing, they are encouraging run-of-the mill types of programs to proliferate. will they be more "un-patriotic" by offering 2nd degree nursing or by allowing substandard schools/programs to prey on their kababayans who don't know any better? also, unless our top schools set the pace, the standards, REGULATION will be bound to be a tougher, "unkind-er" responsibility for the BON. i bet there'll be more cases of individuals being questioned for their credentials only after having passed the boards. YES, i agree to setting strict rules and standards but to impose them late isn't very helpful as it is unpatriotic.....

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oh no...not 4-years, lawrence01! please....there's such a thing as accelerated nursing for degree holders. is this program a 'trademarked' idea only allowed in the united states? because if not, our top schools would be of great service to many pinoys by offering it locally. i wonder...

of course, money does play a big part of the decision to start offering their BSN as a second degree. you've got to pay competent teachers, have well-maintained classrooms and everything else that comes along with the reputation of being a respectable school.

i'm speculating that our top schools have recognized that profit potential for quite a while now except that they may just be cautious jumping the gun for being labelled as too obviously money-hungry? opportunista (of desperate pinoys)? or unpatriotic (contributory to "brain drain")? these names aren't too flattering for any scholarly institution, especially when they would come from their equally competitive peers. what they seem to fail to recognize is all the more they shut out 2nd degree nursing, they are encouraging run-of-the mill types of programs to proliferate. will they be more "un-patriotic" by offering 2nd degree nursing or by allowing substandard schools/programs to prey on their kababayans who don't know any better? also, unless our top schools set the pace, the standards, REGULATION will be bound to be a tougher, "unkind-er" responsibility for the BON. i bet there'll be more cases of individuals being questioned for their credentials only after having passed the boards. YES, i agree to setting strict rules and standards but to impose them late isn't very helpful as it is unpatriotic.....

Sorry, but that's one of the possibilities they are "brainstorming" about.

Will it take off from just an idea or not is another thing.

You are totally correct of the implications of these big universities not offering special programs for 2nd coursers but to be fair I think they are also thinking about the welfare of those who are pursuing nursing as their 1st degree as they will surely be displaced. These displaced would-be students then will be the ones scrambling for the lesser known schools. Maybe they're thinking that it's better that we train these 1st degree coursers as they need as most. Anyway, the 2nd coursers are mature and focus enough so they they will do well what ever school they are in. Well, I hope this is how they think.:chuckle

well, i feel displacing first courses shouldn't be a deadend. what about additional faculty? (second coursers do need to pay tuition,too,right?) maintaining only a certain quota of students (tests? grade point average to stay in the program)? it's not really that we want these schools to produce a whole bunch of second coursers...they can always start small and pick up from there...oh, well, they should know better....i just think that if they're convinced enough of its merits, then it should be doable....

This "rle overloading" thing is just a desperate attempt of PRC and BON to discredit the school from which these 400+ students came from out of personal grudge and hidden motives. Talks has is that this PRC official happens to be a Corporate Secretary and stakeholder of another nursing school and that since this curriculum for second courser was opened, this other school has experienced a decline in their enrollees. Not to mention a conflict of interest for holding a PRC position and a stakeholder of a school at the same time proves the point. Talking of competencies, it is these PRC officials who seems to be incompetent because until now, they still can't make up their minds what they really want to be- PRC, CHED or BON:roll . Perhaps they should change their name to some 3 in 1 products like Nescafe.:chuckle

.....Talks has is that this PRC official happens to be a Corporate Secretary and stakeholder of another nursing school and that since this curriculum for second courser was opened, this other school has experienced a decline in their enrollees. Not to mention a conflict of interest for holding a PRC position and a stakeholder of a school at the same time proves the point. Talking of competencies, it is these PRC officials who seems to be incompetent because until now, they still can't make up their minds what they really want to be- PRC, CHED or BON:roll . Perhaps they should change their name to some 3 in 1 products like Nescafe.:chuckle

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aha...but just the same, it isn't very surprising to know this...