Philippine Board of Nursing to stop Second Coursers from taking up Nursing

IseeU_rn · Jan 14, 2006

About the HIRING and SCREENING process: A Clarification.
The hiring and screening process are 2 diff. things but intertwined.
Foreign RNs wanting to work in the US undergo a very stringent SCREENING process. It includes having to pass 2-3 qualifying exams, namely: LOCAL BOARD EXAM, NCLEX and/or the CGFNS exam plus an ENGLISH competency exam, hence, the VISASCREEN certification required by US LAW as a strong presumption that an applicant is COMPETENT and can practice SAFE nursing and be able to communicate effectively in the US.
In addition, an applicant has to prove that she is morally upright and a law abiding citizen, hence, the req't for a Police/NBI clearance.
As far as I'm concern, foreign RNs setting put on US soil are the best of the best a foreign country can give.
HIRING has nothing to do with the Phil. BON and Phil. Gov't. Its up to the foreign hospitals/employers and they base it on the VisaScreen Certification and the diff. licensure/qualifying exams w/c I may say are MOre THAN ENOUGH evidence of competency. Imagine, being licensed on 2 diff. countries as an RN and most 2nd coursers have other Medical related licenses.
Maintaing that COMPETENCY is likewise the job of all BON in ANY COunTRY.
You can get suspended, your license cancelled, etc..
Its a nice system.
The whole process may take anywhere bet. 1-3 years. Its HARDWORK.
I don't know how much more ardous a SCREENING process can be. This is as good as it gets.

Thanks for clarifying that and letting me know the process. Point taken... Just out of curiousity, do applicants need certain years of experience as a nurse in Pinas or can they apply and work as new grads here?

Rep · Jan 14, 2006

Thanks for clarifying that and letting me know the process. Point taken... Just out of curiousity, do applicants need certain years of experience as a nurse in Pinas or can they apply and work as new grads here?

Depends on the facility who petitioned the applicants. Some would require current hospital experience before they can hire while others do not.

nrswnabee · Jan 16, 2006

About the HIRING and SCREENING process: A Clarification.
The hiring and screening process are 2 diff. things but intertwined.
Foreign RNs wanting to work in the US undergo a very stringent SCREENING process. It includes having to pass 2-3 qualifying exams, namely: LOCAL BOARD EXAM, NCLEX and/or the CGFNS exam plus an ENGLISH competency exam, hence, the VISASCREEN certification required by US LAW as a strong presumption that an applicant is COMPETENT and can practice SAFE nursing and be able to communicate effectively in the US.
In addition, an applicant has to prove that she is morally upright and a law abiding citizen, hence, the req't for a Police/NBI clearance.
As far as I'm concern, foreign RNs setting put on US soil are the best of the best a foreign country can give.
HIRING has nothing to do with the Phil. BON and Phil. Gov't. Its up to the foreign hospitals/employers and they base it on the VisaScreen Certification and the diff. licensure/qualifying exams w/c I may say are MOre THAN ENOUGH evidence of competency. Imagine, being licensed on 2 diff. countries as an RN and most 2nd coursers have other Medical related licenses.
Maintaing that COMPETENCY is likewise the job of all BON in ANY COunTRY.
You can get suspended, your license cancelled, etc..
Its a nice system.
The whole process may take anywhere bet. 1-3 years. Its HARDWORK.
I don't know how much more ardous a SCREENING process can be. This is as good as it gets.

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considering immigration laws are constantly changing, we can expect tighter procedures in time...maybe a polygraph test, too?

:uhoh3:

nrswnabee · Jan 16, 2006

Good post. No idea but I don't think it will prosper. :)

i hope you're referring to the rumors not prospering...

:chuckle

lawrence01 · Jan 16, 2006

i hope you're referring to the rumors not prospering...
:chuckle

Yes, ofcourse. :chuckle

elnski · Jan 26, 2006

hIYA FELLOWS!!

now, we're all gOoD!!

keep coming those stimulating ideas...

i am enjoying this..

1st courser, 2nd courser, whatever... as long as both will do things right..

mtreyes · Jan 27, 2006

With respone to the overloading of RLEs etc.. of these examinees whose result are being withheld..Let us not forget that the applicants being second coursers, before being allowed to take the licensure exam are evaluated first by the BON isn't it?So in the first place why were they allowed to take the boards if the RLEs and their curriculum are questionable in the first place????

i beg to disagree, yes we were allowed to take the exams pending further scrutiny of our documents... I guess we should commend the Philippine Board of Nursing for doing this, ensuring that only qualified individuals will be able to get a Philippine license... the issue was "how could students from this university take 41 units in a semester and some 39..... it is really qustionable.."

when we in San Beda filed our application to take the board exam, we were told that the board will still scrutinized our paper... kaya its not an assurance that we will be given a license if we will passed the exam... and it is even writen in the guidelines being provided after the long and tedious process of aplying for the exam...

:rotfl:

nurse_MD · Jan 27, 2006

hi..my point exactly..if there are "discrepancies in the curriculum of certain schools" the BON has been involved in their accreditation and screening of curriculums..don't get me wrong iam not undermining their capability or dedication but these things can be straigthened out before the graduates of said schools apply to take the boards..so as to prevent these irregularities..AND HEARTACHES..in the part of the students.

I would like to share that the so called "screening process" have irregularities during applications.I know for a fact that a certain school was approved without ever facing the panel..don't ask me which school..that i won't answer.Sure we have good laws, but do they implement them? always? in this country?

mtreyes · Jan 27, 2006

hi..my point exactly..if there are "discrepancies in the curriculum of certain schools" the BON has been involved in their accreditation and screening of curriculums..don't get me wrong iam not undermining their capability or dedication but these things can be straigthened out before the graduates of said schools apply to take the boards..so as to prevent these irregularities..AND HEARTACHES..in the part of the students.
I would like to share that the so called "screening process" have irregularities during applications.I know for a fact that a certain school was approved without ever facing the panel..don't ask me which school..that i won't answer.Sure we have good laws, but do they implement them? always? in this country?

there are 25,000 applicants and thre are only 7 members of the BON, do you think they will be able to screen all the applicant and the authenticity of their documents (and the prerequiasites) before taking the exams? ... in the first place, their school should have not allowed them to enrol units more than what is allowed... don't blame the BON blame the school. i am not siding with the BON but i am againts mediocrity.... again please be reminded that the instructrution being given to us after the long process of filing for the exam is that our applications were accepted "PENDING SCRUTINY." THis should serve as a lesson to them and their school... they should start blaming their alma mater...

on the issue of some schools not being interviewed... again it does not mean that their documents will not be scrutinized.... i myself experienced and witnessed some students who were not interviewd, i think this is because the board members feel thier school have good reputation (let us give them the benifit of the doubt) i think its not playing favorites.... and when i asked fopr their school? the one came from UST, the other one came from St Paul... kaya pala...(high performing schools)

the key phrase is accepted pending scrutiny ..... and what the board did to is prevent irregularities.... arent you glad the board of nursing is preventing irregularities to make sure that mediocrity is avoided?

mtreyes · Jan 29, 2006

In the last meeting of the PNA in Zamboanga, the decision not to allow 2nd coursers was discussed... however, the result was not fully disclosed... a friend o mine who attended the meeting said that schools will no longer credit (at least many schools but i doubt if all of them will do this) subjects, even the basic subjects... this means the student will have to start from scratch... i hope this is not true... we are going to miss the opportunity of allowing our brothers and sisters to refocus their careers in life...

Rep · Jan 29, 2006

In the last meeting of the PNA in Zamboanga, the decision not to allow 2nd coursers was discussed... however, the result was not fully disclosed... a friend o mine who attended the meeting said that schools will no longer credit (at least many schools but i doubt if all of them will do this) subjects, even the basic subjects... this means the student will have to start from scratch... i hope this is not true... we are going to miss the opportunity of allowing our brothers and sisters to refocus their careers in life...

What was discused there that the two year programs for second coursers will be scrapped this year. Meaning, back to the regular program of three years clinicals instead of the two being accorded to second coursers.

lawrence01 · Jan 29, 2006

What was discused there that the two year programs for second coursers will be scrapped this year. Meaning, back to the regular program of three years clinicals instead of the two being accorded to second coursers.

Does this cover all 2nd coursers? I really can't figure out what good will this bring.

In my opinion, the regular 4 yr. course in itself is bloated. Other countries just needs 2-3 yrs for their program. I think this is thinking backwards. We should be concentrating on being competitive and producing quality competent graduates and adding more years isn't the answer it's the quality of education.

This is bothersome. I wonder how India, China, and other countries are dealing with their nursing programs and migration issues?

The Phils. will be left behind if this continues.

Just my two cents. :)