Philippine Board of Nursing to stop Second Coursers from taking up Nursing

lawrence01 · Jul 20, 2008

Just giving a reminder to everyone to stick with the topic and the topic is:

"Philippine Board of Nursing to stop Second Coursers from taking up Nursing"

All other issues that may lead to the thread being off-tracked should be avoided.

Thanks for understanding.

sally22 · Jul 20, 2008

Dear Justin RN.

This is exactly the point. Study what you want. Choose your own career. Change careers if you need to in life as many people do. If not we will have a society run by communism and worse that tells us exactly what we will or will not study and what jobs we can and cannot do.

It is frightening to think the US (if it is true) is legislating against this. A democratic country (where democracy only applies to those born there).

suzanne4, RN · Jul 20, 2008

Please stick to the topic that is being discussed here, and it is specifically about the second courser programs; nothing to do with working in the US or even Australia.

And it has nothing to do with the US, this is something that your country is doing. The US has no say in what is done there, only with what is done in the US. That is how it has always been, and will continue to be.

And as has been mentioned, over 80,000 that passed the NLE last year and no jobs for more than a handful. There is no one country that is going to be able to take all of those nurses,far from it. and not even enough offers from all over the world that can offer jobs to all.

Focus needs to be on improving the training of the full four year programs first, and cleaning up the programs that are there. There are quite a few that have never had one single graduate that has passed the NLE. The only way to clean house is to start at the top and strengthen the programs that are in place and are sucessful.

If there were 632,000 students there last year in nursing and now it is up to 950,000 currently enrolled, there is no way for all to get the training that they need. And when clinical skills of the Clinical Instructors is not what it should be, and they are doing the clinical teaching, that only makes things worse when they have had no experience as an RN but went straight into teaching. You will not find this in any other country but yours. All require clinical work experience before they are able to teach.

sally22 · Jul 21, 2008

Recent changes to the courses in the Philippines require nurses to study for 5 years now. From the June 2008 commencement all nurses will have to take the 5 year course. Effectively now the second coursers will study a 3 year course and as this equates to the real portion of the original degree, the new nurses are being required to complete the equivalent of another 2 years of High school (comparable with many other countries) this has been the governments response to the complaints about the second coursers.

Sad really, because the complaints have only led to causing additional costs and demands on the first coursers.

It always pays to think through the complaint first before making it, because we may not be happy with the solution.

suzanne4, RN · Jul 21, 2008

Actually the program there was always five years in the past for the BSN, my contemporaries all completed the five year program there. And that is what the reputation of the Filipino nurses was based on.

They had fabulous experiences and nothing comes close to that now. Much more clinical experience, that is for sure. And you could see it from the day that they started to work.

The issue is not just complaints, but issues with everything that is happening there right now with nurse training. Back when the reputation was set, there was only one student nurse per patient, not the large number that we are seeing today and they were doing all of the skills that a BSN is expected to have and be able to peform on their own as soon as they graduate. They also were required to complete 50 deliveries before they finished their training as well as provide all medical/nursing care on an outlying province for six months, so they really learned to think and assess. Not something that is being taught there any longer.

Your country needs to get the reputaton back up of its grads, or it will not be able to find placement for anyone. And if you notice, they are great at finding care-giver agreements with other countries but when has a four year BSN, this is just a sham and should not be tolerated.

And if one does not complain, then things to not get fixed or taken care of. Even when taking care of a patient, sometimes you need to be vocal to protect them when they are in your care. This is what nursing is all about.

sally22 · Jul 21, 2008

The point I made is the course is no longer 4 years. It is now five (5) years. this is the result of the complaints regarding the second coursers who will be required to take a 3 year course now not 2.

suzanne4, RN · Jul 21, 2008

The length of the program was not increased just because of complaints about the second courser programs, that is where you are quite mistaken.

The complaints started because lack of clinical skills from many of the new graduates from your country, and the four year BSN. The second courser programs have only been in existance for a few years, but the four year programs have been around for much longer.

Things need to be fixed from the top first.

And this is nothing new, it has been discussed on this forum about the increase in length of training for probably close to a year at least, it has been a very well known fact that this was expected to be happening. And now it is.

sally22 · Jul 21, 2008

The Program in the Philippines has never been 5 years for nursing. It has always been 4 years until now. I do not know where you obtained this information but it is wrong.

The new course starting in June is 5 years, My course was 4 years and all the other nurses I know also did a 4 year course.

nosebleed23 · Jul 22, 2008

they dont have the right to stop because education is a privileged of every Filipino. What they should do is to really monitor the schools making sure that nursing student meet the academic requirement like set up a higher quota to be able o put to the next level. and in the board exam, change the passing policy: no grade below 60 but with an average of 75. Make it no grade below 75 and an average of 83%. something like that. because it is in every Filipino the privilege to study as long as he can afford the financial requirements.

g_l · Jul 22, 2008

they dont have the right to stop because education is a privileged of every Filipino. What they should do is to really monitor the schools making sure that nursing student meet the academic requirement like set up a higher quota to be able o put to the next level. and in the board exam, change the passing policy: no grade below 60 but with an average of 75. Make it no grade below 75 and an average of 83%. something like that. because it is in every Filipino the privilege to study as long as he can afford the financial requirements.

SO SAD..... :crying2:

THAT AS LONG AS YOU'RE CAPABLE TO PAY YOU CAN STUDY......

AND STUDY...

AND STUDY.....

HOWEVER, CAPABILITY TO PAY DOES NOT EQUATE TO BEING A GOOD AND CAPABLE NURSE. :banghead:

so you can study all you want, fatten the pockets of the 'smart' ones, and still make no difference to the profession in general.

Turtle_Dog · Jul 22, 2008

The Program in the Philippines has never been 5 years for nursing. It has always been 4 years until now. I do not know where you obtained this information but it is wrong.
The new course starting in June is 5 years, My course was 4 years and all the other nurses I know also did a 4 year course.

uhm better check your information. there were 5 year BSN programs, some of my aunts were graduates of those. I think it was at the at the start of the 80's when the BSN programs became 4 years. Ask around the older nurses. Im sure that they can clarify that

suzanne4, RN · Jul 22, 2008

The Program in the Philippines has never been 5 years for nursing. It has always been 4 years until now. I do not know where you obtained this information but it is wrong.
The new course starting in June is 5 years, My course was 4 years and all the other nurses I know also did a 4 year course.

Things did happen before you thought of being a nurse, they were not always like this.