Philippine Board of Nursing to stop Second Coursers from taking up Nursing

ijarache · Jul 24, 2008

To me, there is nothing wrong to study as much course as you want, for as long as you have the money. When nurses proceed to medical school or to any course, there is no problem with that. Why is there so much issue when engeeneers, doctors, etc proceed to nursing profession. Does studying to much makes a person less of a nurse?

I cannot say that other countries are pressured by Filipino nurses to employ them. Foreign recruitment agencies are the one who keeps on coming to the Philippines to look for qualified nurses which is obviously scarce in their home country. When a country could not produce enough nurses then they will look for nurses from other countries, like the Philippines, who can produce more than enough nurses than what the country needs.

It is not up to you, anti-second courser Philippine nurses, to say who is acceptable or unacceptable nurse. That is the job of the Nursing Council. IF you are questioning the competency of Filipino NCLEX passers with visa screen certificates, then you are implying that there is a problem with NCLEX testing and CGFNS evaluation process. For as long as Philiipines can produce nurses who can pass NCLEX, then agencies will keep on coming here. It is up to the nurses from the Philippines to prove their competency. Of course not all will be able to pass NCLEX, the same way goes to any other country, even in the US. :smokin:

If ALL Filipino nurses working in US leave US and go to other countries, I dont think US health system can function normally and safely.:chuckle Lets admit it, US cannot do without Philippine nurses. :nono:

suzanne4, RN · Jul 24, 2008

I have been asking around now you have raised questions and have found that if a nursing college fails to have one board passer in 3 years they lose their license. They can also lose it if their performance is very low.
I think it needs to be stronger than this so the financial pressure is placed back on the nursing college and the Govt really needs to take action on this to follow up and sanction and remove the licenses where the colleges do not meet the standards.
The nurses are the ones to suffer here and they should not.

Unfortunately, we have not seen licenses taken away; there are quite a few still open that have never had one graduate pass. And that is the major problem with what is going on there.

spongebob6286, BSN, RN · Jul 25, 2008

if only enrolment at BSN would stop temporarily and resume when demand arise. there were already 50k unemployed RNs and soon those who recently passed, which were 20k plus will just add to the number of bum. :cry: :cry:

anyway,i know that idea can never happen.:bluecry1:

g_l · Jul 25, 2008

To me, there is nothing wrong to study as much course as you want, for as long as you have the money. When nurses proceed to medical school or to any course, there is no problem with that. Why is there so much issue when engeeneers, doctors, etc proceed to nursing profession. Does studying to much makes a person less of a nurse?
I cannot say that other countries are pressured by Filipino nurses to employ them. Foreign recruitment agencies are the one who keeps on coming to the Philippines to look for qualified nurses which is obviously scarce in their home country. When a country could not produce enough nurses then they will look for nurses from other countries, like the Philippines, who can produce more than enough nurses than what the country needs.
It is not up to you, anti-second courser Philippine nurses, to say who is acceptable or unacceptable nurse. That is the job of the Nursing Council. IF you are questioning the competency of Filipino NCLEX passers with visa screen certificates, then you are implying that there is a problem with NCLEX testing and CGFNS evaluation process. For as long as Philiipines can produce nurses who can pass NCLEX, then agencies will keep on coming here. It is up to the nurses from the Philippines to prove their competency. Of course not all will be able to pass NCLEX, the same way goes to any other country, even in the US.
If ALL Filipino nurses working in US leave US and go to other countries, I dont think US health system can function normally and safely.:chuckle Lets admit it, US cannot do without Philippine nurses.

for the first part, it all comes down to two things: MOTIVATION and ATTITUDE.

motivation is fairly simple, if you are just considering the profession as a way out: earn big bucks/ live abroad, then growth as a nurse will be stunted. i've seen this in first- and second-coursers alike.

for attitude, it is also linked with motivation, for nursing isn't just a profession, it's a calling. it's easy to discern when one can't cut it as a nurse when vestiges of his/her former profession or real inner calling reaches out. i've seen it also in first- (when parents want them to take nuursing/ they believe it is the earning job abroad) and second-coursers(especially those of the technical professions and those from other health professions; they have deep ingrained habits from their former jobs).

you can study all you want(especially if you have the money), but applying it is another matter. as commonly quoted: "anything worth doing is worth doing good(not just right/correctly)".

to tell you the truth, i have my doubts on the nle, nclex and cgfns. it's different when you are in front of a sheet of paper/computer screen; it's another thing entirely when the real thing is right in front of you, and you just have seconds to decide what's the right thing to do and the choices aren't offered up to you in black and white(and in multiple choice format).

and since nursing is one of those "applied sciences", i would vote for having a practical exam on the part of the licensure. there we can be assured that the standards are really on par on the international scale (don't whine about being a third world country and having scarce resources, millions are dumped in the schooling so why couldn't they train their students in practical application according to the international standards).

i dream of the day when that happens, when the proctor asks you "why did you do that that way" and the answer will be " well, that's in the philippine setting":yeah: NOW THAT'S HIGH QUALITY! ISO STANDARDS EVEN!

PS the last paragraph, imho, is better suited in the international forums. there they can prove or disprove whether america can survive or not without such.

suzanne4, RN · Jul 25, 2008

And as mentioned by me in a response to you on the International forum, there are many IT schools that have gone into nursing for the purpose of making a few extra pesos, they have no idea of anything nursing but they opened and were given licenses for the schools. But they have not had any grads that have passed the NLE, so that is a major reason that many of these programs are now being closed down.

Sure, anyone can study as much as they want. But as mentioned by the above poster, there needs to be a need for the nurse. Without work, and the skills fade away.

Just because one has passed the NCLEX exam and even has an employer to petition them, still does not mean that they will ever get a visa for the US. Demand is still much higher than the number of visas and we are expecting the US to require two years of actual work experience as an RN as the other countries are wishing now.

Alot can happen in just a couple of years with immigration and it has, no working in nursing for five years and it is going to be almost impossible to get the visa. As well as there is no guarantee that the employer will have work for you then, or that they do not change management and cancel out all contracts. We have seen that happen many times over and expect to see more it because of the recession that is happening in the US. You also need to take into account that there are quite a few American RNs that are now going back to the bedside for additional income for their families and they do not have to wait for immigration to begin working now.

You can expect things to be tight all over the world in the next year or two and not getting any easier.

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Jul 25, 2008

[if ALL Filipino nurses working in US leave US and go to other countries, I dont think US health system can function normally and safely.:chuckle Lets admit it, US cannot do without Philippine nurses. :nono:

Considering the Philippine nurses are less than 5% of the nursing workforce and 10% of licensed nurses don't work in the nursing profession I think that hole would be very easy to fill. Nursing enrollments are way up in the US and the economy is failing. I personally don't think there would be any long term effects if the Phillpine nurses left the US.

I welcome my fellow nursing professionals, but importation of RNs was never the right answer for any country.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/475466_2

mrsinister · Jul 26, 2008

is this true? i think no one has the right to stop anyone to take any course he or she wants as long as they can pay for it.

suzanne4, RN · Jul 26, 2008

Yes, it is true. If the programs are not producing viable candidates that can even pass the NLE, then they need to be closed. And since there are issues with the full BSN programs as well for some of the course loads, they are all being evaluated and expect quite a few to be closing.

If there is nothing that you can do with the training, then there is no reason to even have it. Almost all other countries require the NLE as a start and they also want experience as well. Experience is something that is not available in your country now for the most part as well. There happens to be an over abundance of nurses even now that do not have jobs, let alone the 950,000 that are currently enrolled in school there and no prospects of getting a job anytime in the near future.

No jobs and it does not matter how much you pay. But there is absolutely no reason for there to be more than 430 nursing schools there and all of those students in school for a degree that is not going to get them anyplace.

The only ones that are getting anything out of this are the school owners as well as the review center owners. Definitely not the students.

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Jul 26, 2008

I agree with you Suzanne, I feel these students are getting scammed using nursing education as a means to get out of poverty. But instead these students and nurses are being sold a fantasy that has little hope of coming true.

I think the US should not allow people to take the NCLEX unless they have a visa. Think of the money spent in review centers and fees for a dream that changes are will never come through.

It reminds me of the gold rush in the 1800's, only a few stuck it rich while the majority of people had heartache.

sally22 · Jul 29, 2008

"I think the US should not allow people to take the NCLEX unless they have a visa. Think of the money spent in review centers and fees for a dream that changes are will never come through".

Silly question I suppose but how do you get a Visa without the NCLEX and Registration in the USA??

Like sailing without a ship eh.

elajsh · Jul 29, 2008

My take on this is that second coursers shouldnt be banned from taking up Nursing, AS LONG AS they stay away from this short courses/programs. They should take the full four year course (3 years if their arts and sciences can be credited). Everybody has his or her own reason as to why they want to take up this course, but they shouldnt take short cuts. Or else theyll be the ones to suffer in the end. This

has been a problem for quite a while now for those who took Nursing as their second course. Ex: There are quite a number or 2nd coursers whose application for registration for NZ was denied prolly because of the unbelievable overload and other major subjects that they took simultaneously (pre reqs and the majors simultaneously).

gemini_star, BSN, RN · Jul 29, 2008

is this true? i think no one has the right to stop anyone to take any course he or she wants as long as they can pay for it.

I am quite bothered by your statement... as long as you can pay for it. What happened about the passion of working? The dream career that you want. It is not all the money really. It is like saying you can have 3 or more BA or BS degrees if you have the money for it.