Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

heysmalls · Jan 31, 2006

I have to confess, I don't remeber this being a diagnosis when I went to school. I think my professors would have laughed me out of the class if I had used this one. What actually does this pertain to?

danu3 · Feb 1, 2006

I have to confess, I don't remeber this being a diagnosis when I went to school. I think my professors would have laughed me out of the class if I had used this one. What actually does this pertain to?

I think it is relatively new. If your professor is a Wholistic nurse, you might get extra point :).

The energy concept in the context of the alter energy diagnosis is an old concept repackaged. The concept has different names depending on different cultures like "ki", "chi", ... etc. It is an emotional subject as you can see.

A somewhat neutral description of it are:

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/backgrounds/energymed.htm

Do a search on "therapeutic touch" on the web page.

If you scan through this thread, there are links to both sides (try the earlier posts toward the beginning of this thread).

zenman · Feb 1, 2006

To save me some time, can you give me the actual reference that JAMA admits that this particular study is a mistake?
Another observation, what about the TT practioners who agreed to participate in this studies? They need some retraiing then? I mean if they understand Krieger's TT (or are they from some other school of TT?), should they not agree to participate in the first place?
Also again so save me time, what are the JAMA's peer review process and how do they violate it? A few good examples will do.
I personally find the article informative, maybe you should finish the whole thing.

Mercy, danu, I do have a full time job, plus go to NP school and have a private practice and now you want me to work for you:chuckle

I don't have the reference from a skeptical society that published an article telling JAMA that if you wanted to publish a study at least do a "scientific" study. It's probably still out in cyberspace somewhere. JAMA's peer review process should be in each journal. Here's some references for you to look up: Clearing the air in the therapeutic touch controversy, Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine, 1998;4(4):100

Undebunking therapeutic touch,same journal and issue.

I'm not interested in TT as such as I practice other forms...but it's all energy.

zenman · Feb 1, 2006

What about infectious diseases? True, we have superbug and stuff like that now. But if we compare the effectiveness of Western medicine to other medical modality, which one save the most lives? As for chronic conditions, which one? I can think of serious mental illness like schizophrenia, that every medical modality failed if you look at it objectively. Western medicine at least for many people with schizophrenia enable them to be stable enough that we can bring in the psyco-social part of treatment to enable them to have a good life again. What about diabeties? Western medicine fail miserably in this?
Well, if the "postmodern" nursing takes charge, we won't me part of Western medicine. How about other healt care system? How many people do they kill? We probably won't be able to tell because they don't have an obsession like Western medicine in documenting everything under the sun, especially one's own failure.

World Health Organization can help you here as well as journals on chronic diseases. Yes, Western medicine has failed big time. Think of all the chronic diseases...arthritis, hypertension, diabetes...and then ask yourself "why are they chronic?"

zenman · Feb 1, 2006

Let's see, if I remember in school when one take the physics series, you do learn about Newtonian physics (even now). Quantum physics you learn at the last quarter or so. Newtonian physics even now has its application, it is not obsolete. As for the evergy stuff, what about light? Current understanding (if I am correct), light can be understood as wave (energy) or as particle. Which model of understanding depends on the situation, sometimes one model seemed to be better than the other.
About the philosophy went out of vogue... that is interesting... so we are to adopt the philosophy of the month?

We still study history and yes, we should still study Newtonian physics...just not use it for clinical practice it when it is outdated.

The thing is does anyone really understand the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life? If I take the view you are suggesting, then I would reject Western medicine, I would reject Chinese medicine, I would reject TT right off the bat, I would reject all ancient healing modality as none of them understand the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life.

What I'm amazed at is that they understand much more than we do...and with out all the equipment we needed to come up with the same answers.

I drive a car but I do not really understand how it works. The key here is that I know how to operate a car. The key here is that a physicians know how to use a cell phone. The key here is that a trained person knows how to interpret a mammogram.

They need to understand all the "ins and out's" of how their diagnostic equipment works. ..same as they do for the human body.

Now I really must depart for work.

danu3 · Feb 1, 2006

Mercy, danu, I do have a full time job, plus go to NP school and have a private practice and now you want me to work for you:chuckle

What!!!!!! You are working for me! I ain't paying you a dime! :)

Thanks for the ref.

danu3 · Feb 1, 2006

Thanks to Zenman, I've found the critique of the AMA article by the skeptic society. For your convience, here it is:

http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-jamacrit.html

http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-edit.html

Probably should read this one also as it gives more context.

The skeptic society is not exactly pro-TT, they do have a few articles that are anti-TT and here they are:

http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-tt1.htm

They are fairly harsh about TT, calling is psuedo-science. So if you don't like these kind of labeling, skip this article.

http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-jama.htm

Short disclaimer from the skeptic society

danu3 · Feb 1, 2006

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ttresponse.html

Ok, here is a response from some of the critiques of the JAMA article.

If anyone know of a response to that response, post.

On another note, the editor of JAMA who published the article was fired.

Look at http://www.csicop.org/articles/19990121-jama/

she_bebe · Feb 1, 2006

is there such things lik energy field being altered?duh?hahaha. i dong think ill support NANDA for that... :coollook:

zenman · Feb 1, 2006

I am not sure about the "every" part of the statement. It is true that many cultures all over has it. For example, the Judeo-Christian culture don't have this. How about the ancient Egytian culture, I don't think they have it (I may be wrong). How about the ancient Greek culture, do they have it?

EVERY culture has written about it. Where do you think those halos came from and "laying on of hands?"

Let's see, there are different explanations of this (assuming it is true) depending on one's world's view. One possible explanation of this is that of a worldview that acknowledge there are different dimensions of reality. In this case, there is a spiritual dimensions where there are powerful spiritual beings (shamanism, Christianity, Judaism, Isalm...). Vodoo involve directly or indirectly invoking a powerfull spiritual beings to do the persons bidding - nothing to do with "energy" as we are talking about in this thread.

Since there is no cord running from one person do another, what is the connection. Everything is energy.

I also hear stories about how in the villages of China where the shaman kicked out all the Christians during one of their rituals because the by the mere presense of the Christians, they are interfereing with them. Now if you laugh at the Christian story I just mentioned, check your attitude.

I'm not laughing. Jesus kicked people around and out also!

The next question is actually - what is energy compose of?

http://www.google.com

Another observation, Western medicine is very very young comparing to other medical systems of the world which many are thousands of years old. How many people died as a results of these medical systems? It is true many people died under Western medicine, but how many people did it also save?

I think the Hippocratic oath addresses the issue of not hurting patients.

zenman · Feb 1, 2006

is there such things lik energy field being altered?duh?hahaha. i dong think ill support NANDA for that...

We really must push for physics in nursing school. Go stand near a high tension wire and keep repeating, "I really don't feel this...I really don't feel this!"

chadash · Feb 1, 2006

Is zenman really an alternate personality for Grannynurse? How many are there out there?

OOps! I am kidding again!