"Fired for NO Reason"

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we often see threads with the title "fired for no reason," or "new grad harassed and fired" or something to that effect. and i always feel at least a little sympathy for the individual involved, if only because i can clearly see by reading between the lines of their self-justifying post that there was a reason for their termination, even if they just don't get it. (there are always a few posts every year from a new grad who is convinced that the reason she's not getting along with her co-workers is that she's just so beautiful they're all jealous, that crowds of mean people are following her around, that she's so wonderful she's going to rock the er or icu or nicu or or and no one sees her wonderfulness clearly, or that some mean, tired, old nurse who ought to retire and get out of the way is targeting her for no good reason.)

i worked with a new grad who was recently terminated for, as she puts it, totally bogus reasons. evidently seeing mine as a sympathetic ear, she went on and on and on about how unfair it was that management expected her to get her act together and actually understand what was going on with her patients. "i've got the time management thing down pat," she said. "i don't know what else they want. they're just picking on me for no good reason." i liked sal, i really did. she was interesting and entertaining and really, really nice. she was also smart, hard-working (when she was at work) and well-educated. but she didn't study outside of work, and really didn't understand what was going on with her patients. i participated in several meetings with her in which it was pointed out that it's not enough to do the tasks, you have to understand why you're doing them. it's not enough to draw the labs. you have to understand what the results mean and then address them. for instance, if the inr is 9, it might explain the nosebleed, the cherry red urine and the fact that the hemoglobin is now 6. giving the coumadin at 6pm as scheduled is not a good thing, even if you gave it right on time and were able to explain to the patient that "it's a blood thinner." i could go on and on.

i got a call from sal today, complaining that she knows she's blackballed for no good reason because she just can't get another job. she wanted me to give her a reference. did she just not get it?

all you new grads out there who are convinced that you're being picked on for no reason, that your more experienced colleagues are just out to get you, and that you're being unfairly targeting, harassed, or picked on, hear this: it may be something you're doing (or not doing) and all those "mean people" are trying to explain it to you so you catch on, learn your job and succeed. we all tried over and over with sal, and she still doesn't get it. are you guilty of the same thing? if your preceptor says you lack critical thinking skills, do you take it to heart, think about it and learn from it? or are you convinced that the entire issue is that she's jealous of your extreme good looks? if your charge nurse charges you with a deficit in your time management skills do you spend time figuring out where you could speed things up a bit? or do you dismiss her as a tired old dog who can't learn a new trick and ought to retire anyway? are you taking to heart and benefitting from any negative feedback you're getting, however poorly given it is? or are you obsessing about how "mean" that nurse was to you and totally overlooking the message?

i wish sal would have "gotten it." she would have been delightful to work with if she had. but right now she's focused on badmouthing her preceptors and the charge nurse, and she still doesn't understand what she did wrong. don't make the same mistakes.

Hey, Stop it!

Flame me if you want, but, I think OP can speak for herself. She doesn't need "the crew" running to her defense. Nobody gets to choose who can say what in response to a post. This is exactly what starts the :deadhorse line of posting that usually results in closing what was an interesting conversation string.

you're darned right, that ruby doesn't need anyone running to her defense.

yet, i wanted to and i did.

furthermore, no one is dictating who can say what.

no one.

i responded to a post that i found unfair, which is just as much my right.

let's keep it in perspective, shall we?

leslie

well, i certainly understand where the OP is coming from. However, the OP mentioned this nurse was a new grad. this is part of the reason why nursing has very few nurses that stick around - so much criticism goes on. she is NEW... I think more education should have been pushed her way instead of just dumping her. What a nurse knows and can piece together because she has been a nurse for 10 years can not/should not be compared to a brand spanking new nurse. I'm not implying that new grads should be immuned from the consequences of their mistakes, but that aspect should definitely be in the back of any manager's mind when evaluating the new grad nurse. Maybe I am just too nice... I'd probably make a horrible manager! :) I've made mistakes as a new nurse and my manager and co-workers were so wonderful with me - they explained things thorougly and helped me to understand what was going on and why.

I work with a young tech right now, and our employer is paying her way through nursing school. This girl is not going to be a good nurse, and I hope I never have to work with her if she does become a nurse.

When I first started, she and others told me stories of how hard the unit mgr was on her, and I felt bad for her. I went out of my way to be nice.

Although the mgr has been very inappropriate w/ her anger at this girl, I now understand it.

She is just plain lazy. She has to be told over and over again to do her duties. Then, each new day, it is somehow all gone from her head, and she has to be told again.

She was taking extra long breaks. I now require her to come tell me before she goes to break so I can moniter the time.

Employees have to punch out if they leave the building at break, and she has to be told this each time. If I tell her today, she will leave without punching out tomorrow.

She is like a two year old who has to be told over and over again each day what to do and what not to do.

She can often be found texting or IMing on the net when her co-workers are hard at work.

However, when asked to do anything extra she will whine like a little kid "It's not fair!"

Dealing with this girl is wearing me down- she's worse than having an extra pt.

Finally, I had to talk to the hated boss about her. I didn't want to do it. I really resent having to be put in the position to do so- I don't like the boss either, and I try to avoid her when I can.

I know that now that I've spoken to the dreaded boss about her, this girl will see me as the bad guy- it will be all my fault.

She totally will not get it that she has any responsibility for anything.

If this girl would just be an adult, it would save everyone a lot of time and trouble.

well, i certainly understand where the OP is coming from. However, the OP mentioned she was a new grad. this is part of the reason why nursing has very few nurses that stick around - so much criticism goes on. she is NEW... I think more education should have been pushed her way instead of just dumping her. What a nurse knows and can piece together because she has been a nurse for 10 years can not/should not be compared to a brand spanking new nurse. Maybe I am just too nice... I'd probably make a horrible manager! :)

From what the OP said, it seemed to me that this new grad did not know or understand basic things that any students still in school should now.

Knowing to hold Coumadin on a pt w/ a really elevated INR is Nursing 101, IMO.

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.

LOL@earle58

Any Star Wars fans here?

There is a scene in The Empire Strikes Back. Luke, Han Solo, and Leigh are in a room just after Luke is saved by Han. Leigh and Han are argueing. Han turns to Luke and says:

"Must've come pretty close to the truth to get her all rieled up like that, huh kid?" yeah, nuff said.:p

But on a more serious note, the last paragraph was not directed at the OP. I'm talking about preceptors in general there. I did point out that she used terms that made me question if she were using the right approach or not, but left it up to her to decide.

As far as the coumadin thing goes, I'd still like to know, is that a literal example of things this nurse did, or something to make a point? There is a difference.

Specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

I lack sympathy for someone that gives coumadin to a patient with an INR of 9 and then gets fired. That's basic med/surg as far as I'm concerned. That nurse could have killed that patient.

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Okay - let's please debate the topic, not the poster. Just a reminder that the topic is those who think they have been terminated unfairly when in fact there may bemore to the story. Thank you everyone. Very interesting subject.

Thank you for the advice. I can admit that I have a tendency to take criticism personally at times, and I will try to remember your advice in my future career.

Somewhat off-topic, but I am concerned that I might not have good "critical thinking skills". If anyone has any suggestions to help me out in this department, could you please send me a PM with some tips? Thanks in advance :)

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
I work with a young tech right now, and our employer is paying her way through nursing school. This girl is not going to be a good nurse, and I hope I never have to work with her if she does become a nurse.

When I first started, she and others told me stories of how hard the unit mgr was on her, and I felt bad for her. I went out of my way to be nice.

Although the mgr has been very inappropriate w/ her anger at this girl, I now understand it.

She is just plain lazy. She has to be told over and over again to do her duties. Then, each new day, it is somehow all gone from her head, and she has to be told again.

She was taking extra long breaks. I now require her to come tell me before she goes to break so I can moniter the time.

Employees have to punch out if they leave the building at break, and she has to be told this each time. If I tell her today, she will leave without punching out tomorrow.

She is like a two year old who has to be told over and over again each day what to do and what not to do.

She can often be found texting or IMing on the net when her co-workers are hard at work.

However, when asked to do anything extra she will whine like a little kid "It's not fair!"

Dealing with this girl is wearing me down- she's worse than having an extra pt.

Finally, I had to talk to the hated boss about her. I didn't want to do it. I really resent having to be put in the position to do so- I don't like the boss either, and I try to avoid her when I can.

I know that now that I've spoken to the dreaded boss about her, this girl will see me as the bad guy- it will be all my fault.

She totally will not get it that she has any responsibility for anything.

If this girl would just be an adult, it would save everyone a lot of time and trouble.

Dont get me wrong, I do think an important part of being a preceptor is knowing when to throw in the towel on someone who just isnt going to improve. There is a weeding out process that has to take place. If someone is going to be dangerous (to pts health or to the units moral due to laziness) then they should not be hired post probationary period.

I doubt the person you are describing would benefit from constructive criticism. Their goal was not to be a "good nuse" as opposed to just a nurse.

Specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

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Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.

Gee, we need the OP back again.

You know, it is an important detail about the coumadin.

If its a literal example, somthing the GN actually did.....eh, she does not fall into the category of people that can be helped along by the right direction.

Now, if it was just OPs way of getting a point across, not meant to be taken literally.......maybe she did.

those of us who know ruby, know she was sharing an actual story.

leslie

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