Nurses Who Shouldn't be Nurses

Mystery5 · Jun 15, 2005

Based on the statement from the conference of bishops, the way I understand it, pain is to be alleviated, if possible. The idea of redemptive suffering is only mentioned with regard to pain that CANNOT be alleviated. In this case, the redemptive nature of suffering is an attempt to help the patient to deal with and accept their pain. It isn't, as some have stated, a cruel withholding of care, but merely a means of helping someone deal with suffering by assuring them that they will be ultimately rewarded for it.
I'm not suggesting that anyone who doesn't believe in it should, just explaining in a different way. Obviously, as with any statement or explanation of religious beliefs, there is no way everyone will ever agree on the subject.

Thanks you for reading that statement accurately. I appreciate it. :) I thought is was pretty simply stated.

As far as derailing this thread, I personally didn't bring up the subject of redemptive suffering, but wasn't going to let misinformation about the Catholic position on relief of end of life pain go unchallanged.:)

AussieKylie · Jun 16, 2005

I am a nursing student and I am at University studying and all I want to do is get out and be working instead of just studying. I am a practical minded person and I cant wait to leave the studying behind me.

When I decided I want to be a nurse, it was through the idea of wanting to help people and see them progress through the cares given. My mom is a nurse and I guess I am just following her steps. Everyone tells me oh think of the money you will make. I reply back, I dont think about the money side, all I think about is the idea of working and being assistance to others. Maybe I am a rare breed or something but my time at Uni I feel is being wasted where I could be of benefit practically in the hospital system.

I must agree that there are nursing students who are doing it for the money and its those people that get me, because they do so well academically and get out there and dont care much about the nursing work. Whereas with me, I am struggling at Uni and hanging on like a thread to get to where I want to be. :uhoh3:

sbic56, BSN, RN · Jun 16, 2005

I don't think the one who posted that you wrote this reply was insulting just stating their belief. I think the poster thinks that idea is ridiculous and should not be used at the op's hospital. The poster is not condemning all cathlolics or religion just that one aspect they feel should not influence pain management. That poster is not stating one would be wrong if they wanted to do that for personal reasons but as healthcare professionals should not dictate pain managment. Don't you think suicide bombers dying for their belief is "hooey!" There's a difference in totally disagreeing and disliking with certain ideologies than just ex discriminating someone just because they are a certain race.

Thanks for stating what I was getting at in that way! You are on the mark.

I got off track because Stitchie's post hit a nerve. I have nothing against Christianity, but do have a problem when it is used in the way she implied. That's man misusing it, though, which is the reason problems arise within it.

browsing · Jun 16, 2005

It is true that some people go into nursing solely on the purpose of earning a somewhat high salary, but how many people out of them won't have compasion for people who are ill when they see them in person and don't feel satisfied when they hear thank yous from the patients that they have helped out? I'm sure the people who are only set on money will either drop out of nursing school or find that nursing is not just about money when they start working. But for those who have worked years as a nurse and yet still only think about the money, then it is their own problems and they're probably having a bad time doing it and if they did make it that long in the medical industry taking care of others, they must be doing something right. I think money is a sensitive subject as some people may need it more than others due to their unfortunate situations and I don't think nurses should discuss it so openly like this and attack those who can't help but to choose nursing. Haven't you ever gleamed at the time of your paycheck even once? Nursing is a hard and underappreciated job and the money sure makes it worth it sometimes. And some people would do anything for money and of course there will be people wanting to become a nurse at a time like this. It can't be helped so deal with it and stop wasting time complaining. Or you can go find hundreds of thousands of people who are willing to work as a nurse at a lower salary and stop this shortage. My opinion.

spidermonkey · Jun 16, 2005

We had this huge discussion at work today, and i thought i'd get your opinions.
The statement was this: "We have to many people becoming nurses for the money. Its not like it used to be, where a nurse chose to be a nurse because they liked helping people. Its all about the money,."
We were talking about the increased patient complaints, and an older nurse stated the above and thats the reason for increased patient complaints.
So, what do you think.

I agree people are going into nursing for less than altuistic reasons. However, I hope that clinicals weed out most "in it for the money". After all, nursing is less about MONEY than alot of other careers- my sister makes double my salary in the IT field- w/alot more perks & better benefits-- and that's just one example. If patient complaints are increased I'd look to staffing first- and administration. I did meet one RN a few years back, however, that told me he didn't know what to take in college & he read the classifieds & saw all the nursing jobs, so he became an RN- and a good one I might add. I guess it doesn't matter WHY one goes into nursing, but why one stays. The biggest problem I see w/some nurses is laziness- they either don't want to work, leave early, call in, etc. & this is much more prevalent in the younger nurses in my experience. :coollook:

goingCOASTAL · Jun 16, 2005

Anyone with a functioning brain, reasonable problem solving skills, functional people skills, and a fair dose of basic human compassion can be a nurse -- provided they finish school and pass boards. The state governments are very concerned about safe and competent care, which is why the boards "weed out" incompetent nurses.

This should be the measure: competence.

However, there are those that believe that if you weren't blinded by a supernatural light, and weren't called on "from on high" -- that these people should find another career.

Go ahead, create a "calling" litmus test, and kick out all the "money people." For those of us who weren't called initially by St. Nightinggale into the "ministry," we sincerely hope you'll be able to handle the 10 times extra workload.

ZASHAGALKA, RN · Jun 16, 2005

I guess it doesn't matter WHY one goes into nursing, but why one stays.

This is the answer to the money question and right on the mark. I went into nursing for the money. I stayed because of the money --- and because I'm good at it, technically and compassionately.

~faith,

Timothy.

bobnurse · Jun 16, 2005

You told them after asking them the question that it's a poll? I probably would have been peeved about being a part of a survey that i didn't consent to.

Yup.........I asked them, they answered and then i said i was taking a poll........None of them were upset......They were quite interested in the results, and i have showed many of them this thread......

underwatergirl · Jun 16, 2005

Ethical stand points arise in nursing all the time, hence the reason we must learn not to impose our belief systems on our patients or fellow nurses. Now don't get me wrong, sharing is a great thing...but when we impose and state things as I don't understand why so and so would choose that...we MUST always remember we have not walked in his or her shoes, we have not experience and enviornmentally learned his or her culture/belief systems. As nurses we must put aside our belief system to the benefit of our patients. Now I am not saying don't forget how you believe...for me personally one problem I have is I absolutely refuse to adm. Depo Shots, yes that may sound ridiculous but the drug is extremely dangerous to a womens health/body...some tolerate it well but the lasting affects on hormones and bones is something very hard to take care of. Now when I was asked why I refused, I replied with 20pages of documented incidents/complications and statisical reports. I am respected for my decision, in fact our womens health provider read through the reports and developed and informational sheet she has given to all patients.

I will be the first to pray with a patient whether that is my religion of christianity or not...it isn't just a prayer, it is the comfort of the patient know you are there, plus I still pray to my God and in my way, just unannounced to my patient. So many times we don't understand why a patient won't do this or that or why they are so angry with healthcare? We are not there to understand and accept everything we are there to support our patients in their decisions, hence we are the FIRST patient advocate.

It is the above information that leads me to conclude that is why I don't want nurses doing it JUST for the money, I want them to have the compassion and understanding...Now whether that happens before or after nursing school is dependant on the person...however I believe compassion must be there to let your beliefs step aside to SUPPORT a patient in his/her beliefs.

Remember those things as we present ourselves to not only our patients but to each other!!!

Interesting such a compassionate/caring profession and yet we eat each other up and sit each other! Just a thought.

Mystery5 · Jun 16, 2005

Anyone with a functioning brain, reasonable problem solving skills, functional people skills, and a fair dose of basic human compassion can be a nurse -- provided they finish school and pass boards. The state governments are very concerned about safe and competent care, which is why the boards "weed out" incompetent nurses.
This should be the measure: competence.
However, there are those that believe that if you weren't blinded by a supernatural light, and weren't called on "from on high" -- that these people should find another career.
Go ahead, create a "calling" litmus test, and kick out all the "money people." For those of us who weren't called initially by St. Nightinggale into the "ministry," we sincerely hope you'll be able to handle the 10 times extra workload.

LOL!!!!:chuckle :lol2:

Mystery5 · Jun 16, 2005

Ethical stand points arise in nursing all the time, hence the reason we must learn not to impose our belief systems on our patients or fellow nurses. Now don't get me wrong, sharing is a great thing...but when we impose and state things as I don't understand why so and so would choose that...we MUST always remember we have not walked in his or her shoes, we have not experience and enviornmentally learned his or her culture/belief systems. As nurses we must put aside our belief system to the benefit of our patients. Now I am not saying don't forget how you believe...for me personally one problem I have is I absolutely refuse to adm. Depo Shots, yes that may sound ridiculous but the drug is extremely dangerous to a womens health/body...some tolerate it well but the lasting affects on hormones and bones is something very hard to take care of. Now when I was asked why I refused, I replied with 20pages of documented incidents/complications and statisical reports. I am respected for my decision, in fact our womens health provider read through the reports and developed and informational sheet she has given to all patients.
I will be the first to pray with a patient whether that is my religion of christianity or not...it isn't just a prayer, it is the comfort of the patient know you are there, plus I still pray to my God and in my way, just unannounced to my patient. So many times we don't understand why a patient won't do this or that or why they are so angry with healthcare? We are not there to understand and accept everything we are there to support our patients in their decisions, hence we are the FIRST patient advocate.
It is the above information that leads me to conclude that is why I don't want nurses doing it JUST for the money, I want them to have the compassion and understanding...Now whether that happens before or after nursing school is dependant on the person...however I believe compassion must be there to let your beliefs step aside to SUPPORT a patient in his/her beliefs.
Remember those things as we present ourselves to not only our patients but to each other!!!
Interesting such a compassionate/caring profession and yet we eat each other up and sit each other! Just a thought.

Good thoughts, Underwater...:yeahthat:

spidermonkey · Jun 16, 2005

In every profession there are people there "just for the money." There are a lot of careers the pay a lot more than nursing and the work is much easier. If they went into or are going into nursing for the money they aren't too bright or are masochistic and will get out once they realize the reality of nursing.
But whenever I hear older nurses talking about the new nurses and longing for the good old days I cringe.
I am an older nurse but I do not want to go back to the days of white caps, standing whenever a doctor walked into the unit and we were not seen as skilled medical professionals just glorified babysitters.

AMEN SISTA!!!!! TOTALLY AGREE!! :)