We had this huge discussion at work today, and i thought i'd get your opinions.
The statement was this: "We have to many people becoming nurses for the money. Its not like it used to be, where a nurse chose to be a nurse because they liked helping people. Its all about the money,."
We were talking about the increased patient complaints, and an older nurse stated the above and thats the reason for increased patient complaints.
We had this huge discussion at work today, and i thought i'd get your opinions.
The statement was this: "We have to many people becoming nurses for the money. Its not like it used to be, where a nurse chose to be a nurse because they liked helping people. Its all about the money,."
We were talking about the increased patient complaints, and an older nurse stated the above and thats the reason for increased patient complaints.
So, what do you think.
I like this topic that you have shared to us. I am a fresh graduate from a certain college of nursing here in the Philippines. Nursing schools in the country is mushrooming due to the trends and opportunities to work not only in the United States but also in the United Kingdom. And the topic that you have posted would fit into what is really happening in the Philippines. I myself have earned a degree pior to earning a degree in nursing. My reason in taking up nursing is really that I wanted this course even before the days when I was in High school but was not given the chance due to parental intervention which is common in our culture. But anyway, As I try to observe the students who which we termed "second courser" is not really qualified to take this course. For three reasons would maily fall on the 3 levels that we need to develop in the nursing profession which is KSA 1st Knowledge, most of this people pass the nursing subjects without having any thoughts in mind of getting into the deeper sense of the subject. All they want is to get even just a passing grade because all they have in mind is "NURSING is just a Passport, anyway I would never work as a nurse when I get there" Knowledge wise, surely they would never pass. 2nd, Skills, somewhat related to the issue number one, surely they do not get enough skills in the clinical area. As a matter of fact a simple handwashing method is ofte taken for granted by them. 3rd, ATTITUDE a thing that I would really want to stress. The kind of attitude that these people are showing in the clinical rotations would simply mean, MALPRACTICE or DEATH among patients. This is indeed an alarming situation. There are really Nurses who are not qualified to become nursesbut they pass. I just don't know how these people or these schools would give a passing marks though for a fact Knowledge, Skills and Attitudes WISE they surely would never pass the standards of this Nursing profession.!!!!!!!! It should be that prospective nursing students must be screened carefully particularly the attitudinal aspect before getting admission from any colleges of Nursing.:-)
Specializes in ED, Cardiac Medicine, Retail Health.
Excuse me, but, did you poll doctors to ensure they "had the right reasons" for entering medicine? If not, why not? Should they not be altruistic and just wish to help people? (money a far distant second consideration, of course). Did any of them enter medicine other than just to care for the sick/injured among us? IF you did not poll them and judge them similiarly, why not? Why hold them to different standards than you seem to apply to nurses? See where I am going here?
Have a good day.
Polled 13 of the doctors that I work with and the results were:
11 for the money
One for the money and title
One altruistic.
I know, a very small sampling. But I was surprised that 95% of the doctors that I work with are in medicine for the financial rewards. Of the above, 10 strongly dislike medicine and let that fact be known daily. They are all very good practioners and care about their patients. I surmise that for these particular doctors medicine equated to money and a plush life style. Should they not have chosen to be MD's? I know that many may not agree, but if one is doing their job well should we really care why they chose the profession? To be a "real nurse" must we all posses the traits of selflessness, devotion to duty, poverty, servitude. I know, I am going a bit overboard, but we all are going into this for different reasons. None better than the other. So for those who are in the profession I do applaud your efforts and appreciate the work that you do, for those like me struggling through school, good luck! I can see the light at end of the tunnel.......no wait it a train!
Regarding ADNs who poo poo BSNs, I think part of the reason is little bit of insecurity and inferiority complex. And BSNs knocking ADNs is probably the same. Because lets face it, once you get out in the trenches there ain't much difference.
Polled 13 of the doctors that I work with and the results were:
11 for the money
One for the money and title
One altruistic.
I know, a very small sampling. But I was surprised that 95% of the doctors that I work with are in medicine for the financial rewards. Of the above, 10 strongly dislike medicine and let that fact be known daily. They are all very good practioners and care about their patients. I surmise that for these particular doctors medicine equated to money and a plush life style. Should they not have chosen to be MD's? I know that many may not agree, but if one is doing their job well should we really care why they chose the profession? To be a "real nurse" must we all posses the traits of selflessness, devotion to duty, poverty, servitude. I know, I am going a bit overboard, but we all are going into this for different reasons. None better than the other. So for those who are in the profession I do applaud your efforts and appreciate the work that you do, for those like me struggling through school, good luck! I can see the light at end of the tunnel.......no wait it a train!
I would think that most people go into medicine for the social status and money. I can recall as a kid, my parents and everyones parents telling their kids to become a doctor so they'll be rich.
Regarding ADNs who poo poo BSNs, I think part of the reason is little bit of insecurity and inferiority complex. And BSNs knocking ADNs is probably the same. Because lets face it, once you get out in the trenches there ain't much difference.
Also they teach it to us (BSNs) in school. I'm being dead serious. We have a class "issues in professional nursing", and a good hour of the first lecture was about some morbidity and mortality study by a researcher named Aiken that "proved" a higher M&M rate when the primary nurse in a pts care was ADN as opposed to BSN. And on, and on. I think she told us we smell better too, but I might have tuned out by then.
So I got to spend my lunch hour disabusing my friends of those silly notions, and being glad for the time I've spent on these forums so I didn't fall for it too.
Specializes in Trauma acute surgery, surgical ICU, PACU.
Also they teach it to us (BSNs) in school. I'm being dead serious. We have a class "issues in professional nursing", and a good hour of the first lecture was about some morbidity and mortality study by a researcher named Aiken that "proved" a higher M&M rate when the primary nurse in a pts care was ADN as opposed to BSN. And on, and on. I think she told us we smell better too, but I might have tuned out by then.
So I got to spend my lunch hour disabusing my friends of those silly notions, and being glad for the time I've spent on these forums so I didn't fall for it too.
Yup, they are heavilly invested in promoting themselves as an educational "necessity", aren't they? I got that garbage in school too. I think the "schools" need to be told about the difficulties that superiority complex will bring to their new grads on entering the "real world".... :angryfire
Also they teach it to us (BSNs) in school. I'm being dead serious. We have a class "issues in professional nursing", and a good hour of the first lecture was about some morbidity and mortality study by a researcher named Aiken that "proved" a higher M&M rate when the primary nurse in a pts care was ADN as opposed to BSN. And on, and on. I think she told us we smell better too, but I might have tuned out by then.
So I got to spend my lunch hour disabusing my friends of those silly notions, and being glad for the time I've spent on these forums so I didn't fall for it too.
I think I'm in love.
It is true, by the way. I haven't conducted a formal study, and I can't begin to explain why, but for some mysterious reason, BSNs do generally seem to smell better.
BSNs do smell better but only because statistically, y'all have more managers then us ADNs and they are more likely wear 'business attire' complete with foo foo smell.
But OTOH, not being salary means that when you add in overtime, I have consistently out-earned my managers in recent years.
So, here's to smelling my armpits all the way to the bank.
I am an instructor of patient care technicians. Although this is at the lowest level, this is the level that they need to learn the true appreciation for nursing. It is also the time when as an instructor you can really tell who is in it for the right reasons. I feel this problem of having the wrong nurses in the field come from the fact that we don't have the type of instructors in this field that we use to. In the nursing school I attended, there was an instructor that would weed out the students that she perceived as not being "Nursing material" She was usually right. She would call these students in her office and you would not see them again. Too much power you say? If she was wrong what this experience would do for these students is make them work so hard to prove her wrong that if they wasn't nursing material before they certainly became nursing material. Those teachers years ago were tough. I was taught that if you wanted to really make a good impression with a prospective employer you DIDN'T bring up money. You were a nurse and you most definately was not in it for the money. What they instructors looked for in the students was the same pasion that brought them into this field and that was caring.
I was taught that if you wanted to really make a good impression with a prospective employer you DIDN'T bring up money. You were a nurse and you most definately was not in it for the money. What they instructors looked for in the students was the same pasion that brought them into this field and that was caring.
But this is a trick that Administrators use to JUSTIFY paying you less: you don't want more money, you're in it for the caring.
I'm in it for the money.
The neat thing is that has no bearing on my ability to care.
Specializes in Trauma acute surgery, surgical ICU, PACU.
I am an instructor of patient care technicians. Although this is at the lowest level, this is the level that they need to learn the true appreciation for nursing. It is also the time when as an instructor you can really tell who is in it for the right reasons. I feel this problem of having the wrong nurses in the field come from the fact that we don't have the type of instructors in this field that we use to. In the nursing school I attended, there was an instructor that would weed out the students that she perceived as not being "Nursing material" She was usually right. She would call these students in her office and you would not see them again. Too much power you say? If she was wrong what this experience would do for these students is make them work so hard to prove her wrong that if they wasn't nursing material before they certainly became nursing material. Those teachers years ago were tough. I was taught that if you wanted to really make a good impression with a prospective employer you DIDN'T bring up money. You were a nurse and you most definately was not in it for the money. What they instructors looked for in the students was the same pasion that brought them into this field and that was caring.
I disagree, because I had one very patronising instructor who didn't like me, pulled me aside and told me I wasn't suited to nursing. She would have group discussions after clinicals and get frustrated when I would talk about only my thoughts, and wasn't comfortable sharing my feelings with the group. She would ask me repeatedly "how does this make you feel?"
I think nursing instructors SOMETIMES have a good idea who is suited to nursing, but they sometimes get a bit big for their britches and look at the students from on-high, if you know what I mean. They are not the best judges of who "should" or "shouldn't" be a nurse.....
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I like this topic that you have shared to us. I am a fresh graduate from a certain college of nursing here in the Philippines. Nursing schools in the country is mushrooming due to the trends and opportunities to work not only in the United States but also in the United Kingdom. And the topic that you have posted would fit into what is really happening in the Philippines. I myself have earned a degree pior to earning a degree in nursing. My reason in taking up nursing is really that I wanted this course even before the days when I was in High school but was not given the chance due to parental intervention which is common in our culture. But anyway, As I try to observe the students who which we termed "second courser" is not really qualified to take this course. For three reasons would maily fall on the 3 levels that we need to develop in the nursing profession which is KSA 1st Knowledge, most of this people pass the nursing subjects without having any thoughts in mind of getting into the deeper sense of the subject. All they want is to get even just a passing grade because all they have in mind is "NURSING is just a Passport, anyway I would never work as a nurse when I get there" Knowledge wise, surely they would never pass. 2nd, Skills, somewhat related to the issue number one, surely they do not get enough skills in the clinical area. As a matter of fact a simple handwashing method is ofte taken for granted by them. 3rd, ATTITUDE a thing that I would really want to stress. The kind of attitude that these people are showing in the clinical rotations would simply mean, MALPRACTICE or DEATH among patients. This is indeed an alarming situation. There are really Nurses who are not qualified to become nursesbut they pass. I just don't know how these people or these schools would give a passing marks though for a fact Knowledge, Skills and Attitudes WISE they surely would never pass the standards of this Nursing profession.!!!!!!!! It should be that prospective nursing students must be screened carefully particularly the attitudinal aspect before getting admission from any colleges of Nursing.:-)