Today, there is an article posted on how 22,000 nurses are taking a stand against mandatory vaccination. These nurses are willing to lose their jobs to stand up for their Pro-choice rights. I have included the link below so you can read the article for yourself. Learn more about NAMV (Nurses Against Mandatory Vaccines)
NAMV was founded when mandatory vaccines were introduced in the workplace, and though it is not pro-vaccine OR anti-vaccine, it is certainly pro-CHOICE. NAMV members believe that all people should have the right to choose and refuse medical treatment, including nurses and healthcare workers.
I cannot believe how many professional nurses are so FOR a flu vaccine. I, like hopefully all of us depend on informed consent. After one learns about the flu vaccine, from reliable sources such as the CDC, why would anyone be up in arms about someone refusing the vaccine? First off, it's a virus. What do virus's do best? They mutate. The CDC states that they vaccinate for 3 strains. Yes, 3. Most of the time the vaccine does not even catch up with the actual strain that is infecting people at the current time. Also, if we are all working with integrity, we will be washing our hands and protecting ours/patients mucus membranes ANYWAY. FACT: Handwashing is the most effective way of spreading illness. So, spare me the drama and lets all just wash our hands the way we should!
Pro-choose this: you may not endanger the very lives you are paid to have in your care. If that's your 'choice' (as if it were the same as having fries with your burger or not) don't come near patients.
And btw..." Pro-Choice" is a slogan that is inexorably connected with the abortion movement and has been for decades. That it is used here introduces not a slight irony.
This is the kind of thinking that I find just so backwards. You think because you have a flu shot that is only 18% effective against random strains of influenza - that you're protecting patients. So 18 out of every 100 vaccinated nurses/doctors are protecting patients, but the other 82 healthcare employees are not protecting anyone, but who cares about them, right??
Think about that. The flu shot this year is only 18% (EIGHTEEN PERCENT) effective! That means 18 out of 100 people are protected. How is it okay for you to say "you may not endanger the very lives you are paid to have in your care," when the flu shot is ONLY 18% effective??? I just really cannot wrap my mind around your conclusion. It's a completely laughable statistic for a vaccine.
Healthcare workers are not gods and goddesses that can not transmit illness. Healthcare workers are limited by their humanness just like everyone else in this world. People get sick. Are healthcare workers somehow supposed to have immune systems above and beyond every sick or hurt person that comes their way? I just think the idea of that is ludicrous. A flu vaccine that is only 18% effective is not a good reason to get vaccinated. When studies show that the vaccine is only 18% effective, and when studies show that a high enough vitamin D level/supplementation contributes to a lower rate of influenza than the vaccinated population, I don't see justification for such inflammatory remarks as above.
Shortly after I get my flu shot I feel very sick, I get flushed and I have a giant headache...hmm, could it from the aluminum or the mercury running through my veins?
Where did you come up with this? If you had a headache, it wasn't from aluminum from a flu shot, because there is no aluminum in a flu shot. At all. Like, ever. Unless you were chewing on your pots and pans while getting your flu shot, how do you think it caused your headache?
You didn't have mercury running through your veins either, at least not in the context of what you're thinking of. Methylmercury is a neurotoxin. It isn't in the shot either. At all. Ever. Ethylmercury, is a result of the metabolic breakdown of the preservative thimerosal, and isn't a neurotoxin. It is rather innocuous, actually, unless taken in freakishly high doses. Did you get stung by a hundred or so flu shots at once the day you got that headache? Do you normally get hundreds of shots at once? I sure don't LOL!
Maybe your headache was caused by worrying about chemicals and toxins in a vaccine that doesn't contain them and couldn't be causing you a headache in the first place?
Where did you come up with this? If you had a headache, it wasn't from aluminum from a flu shot, because there is no aluminum in a flu shot. At all. Like, ever. Unless you were chewing on your pots and pans while getting your flu shot, how do you think it caused your headache?
You didn't have mercury running through your veins either, at least not in the context of what you're thinking of. Methylmercury is a neurotoxin. It isn't in the shot either. At all. Ever. Ethylmercury, is a result of the metabolic breakdown of the preservative thimerosal, and isn't a neurotoxin. It is rather innocuous, actually, unless taken in freakishly high doses. Did you get stung by a hundred or so flu shots at once the day you got that headache? Do you normally get hundreds of shots at once? I sure don't LOL!
Maybe your headache was caused by worrying about chemicals and toxins in a vaccine that doesn't contain them and couldn't be causing you a headache in the first place?
I don't know where you got your information, but it is just wrong. Thimerosol IS in flu vaccines, including all of the multi-dose vials. I don't think there is a way that you would know if she got her vaccine from a single or multi-dose vial, so you shouldn't be so flip. "Each 0.5-mL dose from the multidose vial contains 25 mcg mercury."
Thimerosol is used in the manufacturing process of all flu vaccines, and the pharmaceutical companies are no longer required to publish ingredients used in the manufacturing process. Some inserts do explain that thimerosol was used in the manufacturing process, some do not, but it is no longer a requirement.
25mcg is equal to 50,000ppb. National requirements for drinking water "allow" up to 2ppb in drinking water. However, anything close to 2ppb is usually not heard of. Why? Because 2ppb is a lot, and no one wants to drink mercury. However, if it happens that we DO get it in our drinking water - our digestive system is a great aid to us in filtration, and hopefully most of it will be filtered as we digest.
But when we get a flu shot that contains 25 mcg of thimerosol - we don't drink it. It goes straight into our blood stream, all 50,000ppb of it, where it cannot be filtered by the digestive system.
The EPA doesn't allow mercury to be thrown in the garbage because it is hazardous waste, and the FDA banned it from being used on the skin as an antiseptic (remember mercurochrome??) - but we can inject infants, children, pregnant women and the sick elderly with 25mcg of mercury, and it's okay?
How funny that the FDA said nothing about transfats for so long, and now the FDA says "but yes! you're right, trans fats are unsafe!"
I won't be long before thimerosol will not be allowed to be used in any part of vaccine use, whether it is in manufacturing or preserving, because slowly but surely people wake up and figure this stuff out - unfortunately, it takes a lot of sick and diseased people to get us to that point.
Which is really too bad, because there are already other effective preservatives in use. Not that it matters in my opinion, as far as the flu vaccine anyway, because I think it is a waste of time, energy, and money. The flu vaccine has been around since 1945. It took 60 years for them to become worthwhile, and the flu vaccine has not even changed the rates of death from flu.
People really should research. I think the big idea here is that doctors want to make people feel healthy, and telling them to get a flu shot is easy. It gives them something to do, and makes people feel safe - and people want to feel safe.
But people - you already were safe, look at some statistics. Eat, drink, exercise, be happy. Just keep swimming, just keep swimming, what do we do, we swim, swim.
I don't know where you got your information, but it is just wrong. Thimerosol IS in some flu vaccines, including all of the multi-dose vials. I don't think there is a way that you would know if she got her vaccine from a single or multi-dose vial, so you shouldn't be so flip. "Each 0.5-mL dose from the multidose vial contains 25 mcgmercury."
And I don't think you understood what I wrote really. If you read the data concerning the flu shot as carefully as you read my post, I can definitely see what the problem is!
I said that thimerosal breaks down into ethylmercury (and yes I know it's a preservative in the vaccines, which I already said). And that ethylmercury, if she had it, is known to be harmless even at higher doses so unless she got herself stung with a hundred shots, she did not get a headache or any other ills from thimerosal. I'm pretty sure she would have gotten only one shot so yes, if it contained the preservative, it didn't try to kill her. Or give her a headache. Or make her get the crossword puzzle wrong. It just doesn't have that kind of power!
The dose you quoted is far less dangerous than breathing in elevator air after a perfume queen got off! I definitely could see getting a headache from those chemicals!
And I don't think you understood what I wrote really. If you read the data concerning the flu shot as carefully as you read my post, I can definitely see what the problem is!
I said that thimerosal breaks down into ethylmercury (and yes I know it's a preservative in the vaccines, which I already said). And that ethylmercury, if she had it, is known to be harmless even at higher doses so unless she got herself stung with a hundred shots, she did not get a headache or any other ills from thimerosal. I'm pretty sure she would have gotten only one shot so yes, if it contained the preservative, it didn't try to kill her. Or give her a headache. Or make her get the crossword puzzle wrong. It just doesn't have that kind of power!
The dose you quoted is far less dangerous than breathing in elevator air after a perfume queen got off! I definitely could see getting a headache from those chemicals!
I think it is ridiculous that you (or anyone) think that you can gauge one persons reaction to a vaccine.
Everyone is different.
Guess what? I get hives when I get super stressed out. Why? I don't know. The doctors don't know. But it happens. It happens to other people too, but it is pretty rare, not unheard of at all - but rare enough that I had to see about 18 doctors before one actually thought it might be autoimmune.
Not everyone gets a headache from a vaccine, but some people DO. You can find that information easily on ANY flu vaccine insert. Headache is a COMMON side effect. It is also a common side effect for placebo shot as well. But so what. She got a headache.
Scientists agree that they do not KNOW the safety of ethyl mercury, and the Institute of Medicine says "Ethylmercury should be considered equipotent to methylmercury as a developmental neurotoxin.â€
And I don't think you understood what I wrote really. If you read the data concerning the flu shot as carefully as you read my post, I can definitely see what the problem is!
And by the way, what makes you insinuate that I cannot read a flu vaccine insert? You don't really explain - I did not say anything untrue or inaccurate as far as what is in vaccine inserts.
I see that your posts really just aim to condescend. You don't really want to inform - you just want to cut people down. You aren't adding information, just your opinion. Nothing you have said is factual.
I think if you want to truly debate this topic, you should bring more to the table than how stupid one person is because she said she got a headache from a vaccine, or how stupid another one is because you think she can't interpret something but don't give any information as to what she interpreted incorrectly.
And by the way, what makes you insinuate that I cannot read a flu vaccine insert? You don't really explain - I did not say anything untrue or inaccurate as far as what is in vaccine inserts.
Because you said this "I don't know where you got your information, but it is just wrong. Thimerosol IS in some flu vaccines, including all of the multi-dose vials."
And you said it right after reading my post that didn't say anything about there not being thimerosol in vaccines. You misread my post, pretty far off from what I said, so I would have to guess you misread other things just as easily. From what I'm reading you are misreading a lot of things about vaccinations or maybe just not interpreting them well I don't know.
Then you say " I see that your posts really just aim to condescend. You don't really want to inform - you just want to cut people down. You aren't adding information, just your opinion. Nothing you have said is factual. "
I wrote facts about aluminum not being in the vaccine, which that person had claimed was there. She was wrong and I said so. It wasn't me not getting the facts right! If you think aluminum is in vaccines I'd have to send you back to the inserts again. I also wrote facts about what happens to thimerosol in the body. Fact honestly and you can look it up yourself! All true and all facts. My post was meant to inform and it did inform anyone who was so confused as to think there was aluminum and deadly mercury in the flu vaccine. I didn't condescend to anyone I said what I think!
I think if you want to truly debate this topic, you should bring more to the table than how stupid one person is because she said she got a headache from a vaccine, or how stupid another one is because you think she can't interpret something but don't give any information as to what she interpreted incorrectly.
I didn't call anyone stupid but I definitely can see wrong information all over the place. I don't think she's stupid or you're stupid but I do think she and you are misinformed. I know what I wrote was true and if you don't believe it there's nothing more I can tell you I guess. Believe what you like there's no need to get worked up about it! I'm sure not :)
If someone is going to tell me she got a headache from something that wasn't there I guess I'm going to talk about that. Sure she could get a headache if she was sensitive to thimerosol but that isn't at all what the vegan person said now was it? I am not debating anything either I'm only contradicting myths.
If someone is going to tell me she got a headache from something that wasn't there I guess I'm going to talk about that. Sure she could get a headache if she was sensitive to thimerosol but that isn't at all what the vegan person said now was it? I am not debating anything either I'm only contradicting myths.
She asked "could it be from the aluminum or mercury in the flu shot," okay so you answered that no, it could not be from aluminum - but did you say "hey, sure it could be a side effect from the mercury"? Nope - you didn't. And yes, she did insinuate that her headache was from either aluminum or mercury.
I haven't seen you contradict any myth. You corrected her in saying that there wasn't aluminum in flu vaccines.
I just don't see your point. Why reply to someone to say so little to her? You are saying you just corrected her by letting her know aluminum isn't in flu vaccines, but that isn't all that you did. That isn't why you replied. You were condescending in telling her "unless you were chewing on your pots and pans," and "mercury was never in your blood." Does someone have to be so specific as to say "the ethylmercury made me have a headache"? I'm glad you're not "worked up" but your posts don't really come across that way.
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So will they bar all visitors and vendors from the hospital who are not vaccinated as well ? If not then give it a rest. I am an employee, not a piece of property.
Many or most 'visitors' have had the good sense to obtain a flu shot from their PCPs, as far as the 'vendors' they probably did, also, as they visit hospitals where bacteria, viruses, flourish, even though 'vendors' are not caring for patients.
Employers who require vaccinations are trying to protect you as well as the patients for whom you will be in close contact. Many of these patients are frail, elderly, in compromised physical condition, and possibly immunosuppressed. If you contract flu and come to work before you are symptomatic, you put these frail patients in imminent danger.
If you are caring for patients with flu, and some patients who are immunosuppressed cannot receive the flu vaccine, becoming very ill, requiring hospitalization, you put yourself in danger of contracting the illness from them.
She asked "could it be from the aluminum or mercury in the flu shot," okay so you answered that no, it could not be from aluminum - but did you say "hey, sure it could be a side effect from the mercury"? Nope - you didn't. And yes, she did insinuate that her headache was from either aluminum or mercury.
I haven't seen you contradict any myth. You corrected her in saying that there wasn't aluminum in flu vaccines.
I just don't see your point. Why reply to someone to say so little to her? You are saying you just corrected her by letting her know aluminum isn't in flu vaccines, but that isn't all that you did. That isn't why you replied. You were condescending in telling her "unless you were chewing on your pots and pans," and "mercury was never in your blood." Does someone have to be so specific as to say "the ethylmercury made me have a headache"? I'm glad you're not "worked up" but your posts don't really come across that way.
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