Nurses.... Our Own Worst Enemies??

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I keep reading all the messages posted by everyone in this forum and I have to just keep asking myself... how much of the nursing shortage problems are being caused by nurses themselves??

I feel that each individual is responsible for how they portray themselves and their professions. If we portray our profession in a negative light, then who wants to join??

If each individual is not part of the solution, then obviously they must be part of the problem, right?

Well, I am a Director of Nursing at a 125-bed facility in Maine. Yes, I am part of the "dreaded" management... a term that I am just fed up with. Nothing makes me angrier than when I hear the statement "management doesn't care" or "we get no support from management." Well, I have to tell you that we are all in the same big boat.

I spend a lot of my time recruiting new staff. Nothing is more frustrating than hiring a new staff member and then having my staff treat them like dirt when they go out onto the floor! Is this not counter-productive?? Many of the same staff that act in such a manner are the very same staff who come into my office to complain if they have to work short!!! UGH!!! This makes no sense to me!! Why is it that people have to behave this way? I have spent many hours with my staff in trying to get this point across... and I have to say that one by one, they are catching on. And.... believe it or not, I am beginning to see a difference. It just takes time and takes patience in hitting the idea home.

I also spend time talking with high school kids and promoting the profession. I am amazed at some of the ideas that kids have about the nursing profession... yet again, one by one, you have to start changing the image of the nursing profession. The press and other nurses have tainted people's view of the profession and it does take a lot of time and effort to change these images.

Patience is definitely a virtue when it comes to these issues. Those without lots of patience probably do not make the best managers.

I visit these forums regularly and read what other nurses are saying about the profession... wow, sometimes I am appalled by what I read. I am surprised that a nurse would come on here to tell the world how horrible her/his job is. This sure does not lend to the idea of attracting new people to the profession. It makes me very curious if these are some of the same nurses who frequent their DON's office to complain about working short. I love to bring those people's attention to this fact and do so often. I am a big believer in making people accountable for their actions and making them look at something just a bit more differently.

Promoting the nursing profession in a negative light certainly is not helping the cause.

Think about it the next time you make a complaint.

Thanks for listening (or reading!)

It is up to each individual to make the difference... remember, an avalanche starts with just one rolling stone....

Peace to all.... Tim Knight

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

Tim,

Glad you found us, post away. Couldn't have answered you better than Silicone ( Welcome Too!). Seems to me that you are HEARING what is being said by staff folks.....very much MISSING in 99% managers.

This site is very addicting...2 hrs my average daily visit. Husband threating to take away my internet privileges so I can complete overdue college paper. LOL

Karen

As a student, I want to know both the positive and the negative parts of what to come in this profession. The BB members are very helpful & never selfish when it comes to sharing their knowledge.

I joined this BB in January this year, as a junior member of course. I was not once being wrongly treated just because I was a newbie. I received friendly and helful answers to my questions that I would not have received from any where else.

It's wrong to think that nurses should only talk about how good this profession is. That'd be deceiving. Nurses come here to write about what is "real" at work & in their lives. All valuable info.

To be honest, it is scary for this future newbie to read about how nurses eat their young. But on this board we get also the chance to read about how some youngs do things that make the experienced nurses want to bite.

This board offers me the opportunity to see things from both sides. Like many on this board, I intend to obtain a higher education after RN. But what I am learning on this board is something I may never learn from my school books: To take good care of the nurses is good business. Long term. Nurses need lots of cooperation from the mgts so they can concentrate on doing what they want to do most & what they can do best: to care for the patients. And if the new economy wants to classify patients as customers, it makes even more sense to take better care of the nurses who are so directly involved in the well being of the customers.

Tim, Welcome to the board. It looks like the intentions of the posters are to clarify, not meant to attack you as a person. Keep posting.

Best wishes,

Christina

Thanks, Christina...

I will keep posting... ;)

I have grown quite addicted to the folks on here! :D

Peace.... Tim

THANK YOU, Tim. I am going to be starting the nursing program in January and I have been coming to this site just to become familiar with nursing in general.

I am dismayed at the level of arrogance I have seen by nurses at times and have questioned my choice to go farther with my career decision! I have to admit that I am new to the arena of nursing, and maybe the arrogance is somehow justifiable, but it makes it look like an ugly profession rather than what I was seeking which was an environment of caring, nuturing helpers. Am I naive for thinking such a thing?

Specializes in ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89.

Bonster did I hear you say that you see arrogance on here?

Or did you mean in the "real world" when you tell folks you are going to nursing school they give you an attitude?

P

Unfortunately.. many posts from here.

When I began coming to this site, I expected to see nurses helping nurses with issues, or things they have never encountered on the job, support & encouragement. I have seen a good bit of arrogance. It makes me second guess my career choice because I would hate to encounter this type of attitude on a daily basis while I was trying to administer care to those in need. It would really mess me up. It's 2 opposing attitudes.

I would love for you all to tell me that the nursing profession is peaceful and non-competitive nor back-stabbing and that most nurses don't feel they are loads smarter than other humans. Those are the things that would encourage me to go on with my goals and join the ranks of nursing.

Peace,

bonster

The nurses on this BB do offer support on a professional level as well as a personal one. If anyone writes in with a clinical question re: meds, patient care, physiology, new procedures etc, someone is always out there to offer assistance. I'm not quite sure where you are seeing arrogance. But you have to realize that first and foremost we are human beings. Nursing is our profession. Nursing is not peaceful, it can be competitive and there can be backstabbing. Just like in any other profession. That's because nursing is made up of people, not saints. And people can be competitive and backstabbing. I think sometimes it is felt that because nursing is seen as a caring profession, we care for patients physically and emotionally as well as their families, we help people, we save lives, that we are all like this all the time 24/7. Not so. We are human just like everyone else. Caring and giving constantly, seeing tragedy and suffering constantly plus dealing with the ever present politics involved, expecting nursing to continually give in to everyone else (you know, if no one can do blank blank we'll give it to nursing to do and make it their resposibility) and abuses that nursing suffers from management, patients, families, physicians, alone all wear on you. If something doesn't get done or it doesn't get done correctly or in a timely fashion, it's nursings fault no matter who did it. We are not bottomless pits of caring. When someone gives out continually they need to get something back in order to keep giving and caring. So nurses come to this BB to vent to each other. To fellow nurses who understand exactly what we're talking about. We come here to help "refill" ourselves so we can give. As I said I don't know where you are seeing the arrogance, but then again I haven't read every single post on here and perhaps I interpret some of the postings differently because I am a nurse and I can relate to what is being said. But please don't feel that nurses or nursing feels superior but do realize that we are human and have the same emotions and thoughts as everyone else in the world.

Bonster... as you can see by my posts, I do agree with you... but as I have learned from my experience here... you do have to look at both sides... enough said? :p

Take these experiences here and learn from them. If you are treated a certain way... learn from it... don't ever treat anyone else that way. If you hear things that are negative... learn from it... maintain a positive attitude... positive attitudes always win out.

Just keep in mind, that no matter what anyone else says... it is all in the attitude. (My favorite saying) :)

Good luck...

Tim

I'm learning, I'm learning.

Thanks for your help.

Bon:)

Whew...

Things could have gotten real ugly! :eek:

I know from experience! :)

Good luck, Bonster... I am sure you will make a fine nurse!

Take care...

Peace... Tim

Let's see. A nurse can be a LPN, RN, RN with BSN, or RN with MSN, etc. It's no wonder that nursing is not seen positively. Our expectation of what is considered competent varies. Many nurses tend to blame "management" for their problems. Instead of blaming, take a look at yourself in why you are not happy and continue to stay in that situation. Ask your self the following questions: Are you providing constructive input or are you whining (which is what I'm hearing here)? Are you happy with yourself? I find that most of the time nurses criticize when they are not. These nurses usually don't take care of themselves; overweight/obese, high dysfunction at home, and undereducated or close-minded individuals. I would like to nursing to be seen as true professionals and to do this we must start by expecting more educationally by having a minimum standard of a 4-year degree (with clinical/didatic covered thoroughly). Why should we expect less? Would we of physicians?

I realize this BB is for venting, but please enought whining and be proactive.

Hi Tim,

You have given us all a great deal to think about, and we welcome you. You sound like a thoughtful and insightful manager and I wish there were more of you!!

As one of the members said, we're tired, we're worn out and many times it seems that no one in management cares or listens. I'm glad you are one who does.

Lisa:)

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