Nurses.... Our Own Worst Enemies??

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I keep reading all the messages posted by everyone in this forum and I have to just keep asking myself... how much of the nursing shortage problems are being caused by nurses themselves??

I feel that each individual is responsible for how they portray themselves and their professions. If we portray our profession in a negative light, then who wants to join??

If each individual is not part of the solution, then obviously they must be part of the problem, right?

Well, I am a Director of Nursing at a 125-bed facility in Maine. Yes, I am part of the "dreaded" management... a term that I am just fed up with. Nothing makes me angrier than when I hear the statement "management doesn't care" or "we get no support from management." Well, I have to tell you that we are all in the same big boat.

I spend a lot of my time recruiting new staff. Nothing is more frustrating than hiring a new staff member and then having my staff treat them like dirt when they go out onto the floor! Is this not counter-productive?? Many of the same staff that act in such a manner are the very same staff who come into my office to complain if they have to work short!!! UGH!!! This makes no sense to me!! Why is it that people have to behave this way? I have spent many hours with my staff in trying to get this point across... and I have to say that one by one, they are catching on. And.... believe it or not, I am beginning to see a difference. It just takes time and takes patience in hitting the idea home.

I also spend time talking with high school kids and promoting the profession. I am amazed at some of the ideas that kids have about the nursing profession... yet again, one by one, you have to start changing the image of the nursing profession. The press and other nurses have tainted people's view of the profession and it does take a lot of time and effort to change these images.

Patience is definitely a virtue when it comes to these issues. Those without lots of patience probably do not make the best managers.

I visit these forums regularly and read what other nurses are saying about the profession... wow, sometimes I am appalled by what I read. I am surprised that a nurse would come on here to tell the world how horrible her/his job is. This sure does not lend to the idea of attracting new people to the profession. It makes me very curious if these are some of the same nurses who frequent their DON's office to complain about working short. I love to bring those people's attention to this fact and do so often. I am a big believer in making people accountable for their actions and making them look at something just a bit more differently.

Promoting the nursing profession in a negative light certainly is not helping the cause.

Think about it the next time you make a complaint.

Thanks for listening (or reading!)

It is up to each individual to make the difference... remember, an avalanche starts with just one rolling stone....

Peace to all.... Tim Knight

I have to thank you "frustratedRN" and "NavyRN". I have to admit that I am enjoying myself here on this BB.

I am enjoying the fact that there are others out there who understand the frustrations of being a nurse... and at the same time love being a nurse. Do you think this is the same in any other profession?? Probably so... but not nearly as much.

There are so many days that I come home totally exhausted and think "gee, what did I accomplish today" and then there are those other days. I guess the good days make up for the bad.

I have to tell you that today was one of those great days. I had several awesome interactions with co-workers today. Shared a lot of stuff and left feeling better... both parties. These are the days that make it all worth while I guess.

I totally agree that you have a point, frustratedRN.... it is tough to get someone with a totally different focus to understand your focus. I do take that into consideration... and there are times that I am as frustrated as they are! But, in all honesty, I really do enjoy spending the time with the staff to which I have been assigned to oversee (is that politically correct?)

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Thank you all here on this site... you are right... I am learning lots from each and every one of you... whether you agree or disagree with my comments. In the long run, it really does not matter who is wrong or right... it does not change the fact that we are all in this together.

I agree... there is a lot of straightening to be done... and it will get done sooner and more efficiently if we all work together.

Thank you all... Tim ;)

Specializes in ORTHOPAEDICS-CERTIFIED SINCE 89.

See, I knew you'd LOVE us once you got to know us. (Said totally tongue in cheek-NOT)

Look forward to seeing you ......

Pat

tim...and i just have to ask...what do you think of YOUR superiors?

just curious and wondering if it goes on all the way to the top.

Sadly, I get along well with my superiors... sure they do things that I don't always agree with, but I do try to see their side. I am fortunate to be able to speak my mind and be listened to... in this job, anyways. In my previous job as DON, I worked for a total idiot... that would be why I am not working there any longer. He and I NEVER saw eye to eye... his opinion of the staff was "they will work for a price" and "we will NOT hire agency staff"... no matter how I begged, he would not budge... even when my staff were burned out and injured.... that part I could not tolerate... so I left. Now, I have a much more supportive upper management, who listen and support my ideas. I am well aware this is not true everywhere... so I know I am lucky.

And... a small reply for P_RN... I laughed when I read your last post... thank you. You were right, I do like it here... and have been checking out other posts and even replying! Appropriately, I must add... and with a VERY open mind. ;)

Thanks to all... Have a great weekend... TGIF!!!! :D

Well, I don't know if Tim's still reading, but I for one am glad that you are all here and are so honest about the day to day grind. I am waiting to get into the RN/BSN program and the things I read here do concern me as far as dealing with the "eat the young" type nurses who await me on my rotations and first job. However, I am encouraged by the many helpful and supportive nurses I read here. You go to bat for people and help them know when to negotiate, and when to get the hell out of dodge. You give us information to help us succeed in our classes and our careers. You've given us a place to meet other student nurses, and you've provided mentorship. I am not scared away from the profession because of "negative" things I read here, I am better prepared to face the real world upon graduation. Tim is off base and out of line for the caustic second post. If someone visits my house and starts being rude to me I ask them to leave. Why does he think he can drop in on this BB and criticize what happens here. When a new person starts a job do they come in and start trying to change everything immediately? (Yes, if they are MANAGEMENT trying to make their mark by sitting behind their mahogony desks spending their time dreaming up ways to make other peoples' lives miserable.) I have never been a company "yes" man, and I never will be. I support the unions of this country and the blue collar workers who make the world go around. Tim may think he's a good manager, but he could use some brushing up on his tact and diplomacy.

Gotta say it like it is sometimes.

Cheryl

originally posted by realnursealso/lpn

this is the place for nurses to come and vent when they have had a bad day. we all encourage and support each other here. i will make no apologies for myself or other nurses who come here to get it off their chests. we disagree here alot, but when tragedy strikes one of our own we rally round them, as we all have around our collegues from nyc and washington,dc. it is a far better thing to come here and tell it to another nurse than to take it out on a patient or our families. so sorry, but this bulletin board serves it's purpose and serves it well. ;)

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I work with a guy who was once one of my peers. He was a lousy nurse without an ounce of compassion. He was and is a butt-kisser and snitched his way into a supervisor position and is now my boss. He speaks in terms of "us" meaning administration and "you cry-babies" meaning the nurses. He has completely forgotten the hardships and daily humiliations of being a staff nurse. He sits at the nurses station with his feet on the counter and hands behind his head watching us go nuts with an overwhelming workload with never an offer to help. We call him "Golden Boy". Tim, I'm not suggesting that you are like the above mentioned guy. If you aren't listening to your staff, if you have separated yourself from their needs and concerns it might be a good time to come down to their level. Take a BP once in a while, call a doctor. Lend a hand!

Specializes in CV-ICU.

Nebby Nurse, there are good managers and bad managers, just as there are good nurses and bad nurses. I've had plenty of each of those in my many years of nursing. I've had the most exceptional nurse-manager-leader-mentor not just once; but twice in my career (at different hospitals!); and I've had the nerdyest "Manager" you've ever seen. I know that if someone is out on the floors, they probably fall into the better manager catagory.

Tim, I've read all the way through this whole thread, and I'm still trying to figure out where the heck you were coming from on your second posting here? If you were female, I'd chalk it up to PMS ;) (sorry, girls, but there are times when some of us do become totally illogical :rolleyes: ).

In the grand scheme of things; yes, we DO hurt ourselves when we b*@#$@ and complain about nursing and portray all of the negative aspects of it. But people come here and vent, and we do so feeling very safe here because we think that we are only being read and understood by only those in this profession. However, anyone can come here and read these postings and that has made me stop and think about what and how I say things here. We are nurses, and we look to our peers for support and encouragement here; but there are others that have access to this site too.

Hey, maybe it WAS PMS! Am I not entitled to a bad day?? Geesh. Anyways... I am a great manager... I promise. To those of you who have responded negatively to this posting... you obviously have not read it all the way through. Read my other postings, too... I am not a bad guy.

For those of you who feel the need to know this... on Saturday, my wife took the day off from work because we had plans... I got a call at 6am that the day supervisor had called out sick... well, guess what?? I was in there within the hour... helping out on the floor, passing trays at mealtimes, passing meds, etc. That is the way I am... sorry... And do you think that anyone cared that it was my sixth day straight? No. Do you think anyone said "Thank You"? No. Do you think that anyone cared that I am salaried and was not even getting paid for being there? No. But, I was there just the same, helping out in what ever way I could. I am NOT one who sits back and lets everyone else do the work. I am out there on the floor daily. I am certainly not "above" lending a hand where it is needed. I spend a lot of time with residents and enjoy doing so. I view that as one of the major "percs" of my job! Trust me, I am not the "typical" manager. I am told that time and time again by co-workers. So, I really have nothing to apologize for... like I said in an earlier posting, none of you REALLY know me...

Cut me some slack, would ya? I am NOT the monster that some of you would like to portray me as...

Have a great day.... Tim :)

I cannot think of anything to say, because Silicone's reply was very well said!!!!!

Tim,

Welcome to the jungle. For the record, I cannot think of anything I would rather be..... I love Nursing, despite all of the ups and downs.....there are days where I would rather flip hamburgers, but then there are days where I make a difference that make me glad I am who I am

I have to agree... Silicone does rock... :)

Don't tell... but she is my favorite responder, thus far. ;) Not to mention that she took all that time to write out such an elaborate response.

And, with a name like that... who could complain??

You guys are a wonderful bunch... I appreciate (most) of you for your honesty and integrity. I am truly enjoying these boards. Although, I am finding myself getting addicted!!

:eek: Good night all!

Tim

Specializes in LTC, MDS/careplans, Unit Manager.

First...I must say that this thread is one of the best I have read.

Second...Silicone DEFINATELY rocks!!! You will be a great nurse. Talk about attention to detail!!! I was not sure how to take Tim in the begining either. However after reading the whole thread, I think he is all right!! It is rare that you find a DON that cares about anything, let alone being a nurse. It seems that all too often a management position is viewed as their ticket off the floor. It is refreshing to see/read a DON's perspective. I am looking forward to hearing from you more in the future. Hopefully we can all learn some new and innovative perspectives...afterall...that is one of the purposes of this site. I still think that the whining and complaining is the best reason for this site though!!! (sorry Tim!!) I have by far been here the longest...but it has become one of my daily stops on the WWW and one where I tend to spend alot of time!!! Again, welcome Tim!

Thanks to all of you for the GREAT conversation!!!

Shari

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