"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

some people are just mean, nasty unpleasant sorts; nurses don't have an exclusive on that. but no one expects the sanitation worker to pick up your garbage and smile, chat, and listen to your dumb jokes while doing it, and if you're paying a lawyer by the hour you're probably not going to waste his time and your money by telling the dumb jokes in the first place. people seem to have higher expectations for nurses -- and that isn't always realistic.

this is true, and i realize this. i know that there are "sour" people everywhere, in all fields. however, and i can only speak for myself, i've encountered rude nurses far more frequently than nice nurses (towards students as a whole). it's a little peculiar to have someone say "if a nurse is rude then it must be your fault" when in my experiences the rudeness was apparent from the start. my thinking is - what exactly did i do to warrant such a response when all i did was walk up to them to listen to report? i know that as a student we are there to learn and to gain as much from the experience as possible, and yes, there needs to be flexibility to allow certain things to roll off our back. and believe me, i am very much the type who believes in just being helpful, learning, and doing vs. standing around complaining or huffing and puffing about what is being asked of us. it just becomes a little tiring to be treated poorly by *some* nurses.

Hmmm...just wondering if the post was titled "Nurses Are So Mean" because the op knew that title would get a lot of attention because, well, SOME nurses ARE mean.

And that the term "lateral violence" exists because, yes, lateral violence does exist.

Just as some people are bullies as children, some adults are bullies too. It's just that the bullying doesn't involve the playground anymore. Most schools have an anti-bullying week, when kids are educated on preventing bullying.

To those of you who work in hospital administration, please please can we institute something like this at hospitals?

Thanks

Well, and this is why I find this thread ironic. How can you expect someone to excuse rude behavior based on the argument that nurses may have just been having a bad day, yet not be expected to show the same restraint in your own rude behavior? After all, we may not be in control of how we feel, but we should be in control of how we behave.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Well, and this is why I find this thread ironic. How can you expect someone to excuse rude behavior based on the argument that nurses may have just been having a bad day, yet not be expected to show the same restraint in your own rude behavior? After all, we may not be in control of how we feel, but we should be in control of how we behave.

I believe the point was that students tend to throw anything other than a special warm and supportive welcome and "we're glad you're here!!" into the "rude basket". Therefore, a short and snippy-sounding answer to a question is automatically "rude". The nurse didn't say please and thank you, so he or she is "rude". A nurse with a poker face is "rude". A nurse who walks away from you quickly without explaining why is "rude". A nurse who sighs is "rude" (because you know she's sighing about you!). In truth, none of the aforementioned behaviors are rude. You may not like it, but the staff nurse-student relationship is not a peer relationship with all the expected niceities that go along with it. I see (and I'm not singling you out on this) a much more prevalent attitude of expectation and etitlement now-a-days as evidenced by the many descriptions by students of non-reciprocal treatment and how thoroughly miffed they are about it.

Nobody should direct humiliating and degrading comments to you, but if you hear a nurse gripe to another nurse about "students" you can ignore it or get yourself in a twist about it if you want to, and it won't matter a hill of beans. You are in her workplace. You are asking her to bollix up her routine to accomodate you, even if you are the most fabulous nursing student on the planet it is difficult to do that. Students tend to be hyper-sensitive to every little cue and personalize it - some may pout or get sullen and gather into little groups to commiserate - that does get noticed by the staff as well. It would be great if we could look at someone and instantly know of their personality and purge every pre-conceived notion from out memory bank, but it won't happen. You'll have to figure out another way to adapt.

I believe the point was that students tend to throw anything other than a special warm and supportive welcome and "we're glad you're here!!" into the "rude basket". Therefore, a short and snippy-sounding answer to a question is automatically "rude". The nurse didn't say please and thank you, so he or she is "rude". A nurse with a poker face is "rude". A nurse who walks away from you quickly without explaining why is "rude". A nurse who sighs is "rude" (because you know she's sighing about you!). In truth, none of the aforementioned behaviors are rude. You may not like it, but the staff nurse-student relationship is not a peer relationship with all the expected niceities that go along with it. I see (and I'm not singling you out on this) a much more prevalent attitude of expectation and etitlement now-a-days as evidenced by the many descriptions by students of non-reciprocal treatment and how thoroughly miffed they are about it.

Nobody should direct humiliating and degrading comments to you, but if you hear a nurse gripe to another nurse about "students" you can ignore it or get yourself in a twist about it if you want to, and it won't matter a hill of beans. You are in her workplace. You are asking her to bollix up her routine to accomodate you, even if you are the most fabulous nursing student on the planet it is difficult to do that. Students tend to be hyper-sensitive to every little cue and personalize it - some may pout or get sullen and gather into little groups to commiserate - that does get noticed by the staff as well. It would be great if we could look at someone and instantly know of their personality and purge every pre-conceived notion from out memory bank, but it won't happen. You'll have to figure out another way to adapt.

Fair enough, I understand your points.

Specializes in Operating Room.

I think Ruby has some good points. I do not agree with letting rude behavior slide because someone is having a bad day, or problems at home though. We all have to be adult enough to realize that we all have problems and to leave our personal lives at home. Heck, maybe there's a reason why Nurse Nasty's husband is cheating on her-maybe it's her.;)

And there are nurses that will be nasty to newcomers, new grads or new employees. That hated phrase didn't just spring out of nowhere- there's truth behind it. Personally, I think it's because nursing is dominated by women..most guys just aren't as catty as your average woman.

To be honest, I have never met a nurse that wasn't nasty and mean-spirited.

Specializes in OB/GYN.
To be honest, I have never met a nurse that wasn't nasty and mean-spirited.

Wow! What a nasty, mean-spirited condemnation of ALL nurses! I can only conclude that you haven't known very many, because while I have worked with a few mean ones, the majority were either just there to do there job, or sincerely cared about their patients and their coworkers. There is no denying that the majority of nurses are women, and they talk about their "female problems" because they have that in common, and that some of them aren't intersted in helping new nurses, for a variety of reasons, but if Anastasias is a nurse, I hope she understands that she must include herself in that blanket statement unless she hasn't met herself! Way to give nurses a really bad name from inside! How does that kind of statement ameliorate anything?

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
To be honest, I have never met a nurse that wasn't nasty and mean-spirited.

Well that was certainly a waste of 60 some-odd letters we'll never get back. Yeah, I know. That was mean.

Specializes in geriatrics.

I actually had to stop and read "to be honest, I've never met a nurse who wasn't mean-spirited" twice. Wow. I thought I read it wrong the first time. In my experience, I have met wonderful nurses. I am a new RN, and I have enjoyed my experiences thus far. What I have noticed, is that usually there is more to the story with people who characterize others as "mean". For example, I have recently been told by new grads that I am negative because I expressed my opinion that we should not be allowed to write the RN exam like 4 and 5 times. Negative? Mean? Please! Some people are just overly sensitive.

Specializes in LTC.

I've been a new nurse for 2 months. I've been treated fairly well. I have no c/o mistreatment. Sometimes I'll hear a snide comment but I ignore it or let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry than to worry is so-and-so is being mean to me. I worked there as a CNA for 6 yrs prior. I don't think that changes thing though. If I have a ?? I feel very comfortable asking it. I was trained by 4-5 ppl during my time b/c the position was open, so they couldn't have the same person train me.

I agree. How you (as a person and professional) communicate, for example, will create the world you live in (which includes relationships). In any situation, assess the situation, and put a spin on it to make it positive...manage it. As a nurse, positive for me means use of empathy, therapeutic communication, and collaboration appropriately in the workplace as well as w/ patients. Energy spent in this way is more productive than energy used to create labels such as "eating their young", placing blame or feeling victimized. Afterall, if nurses can't talk to each other, who do you think suffers...patients?

Specializes in psych, general, emerg, mash.

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