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hi there

I just found out that my unit will be hiring two nurse leaders. No one knew the positions were posted.

why?

Because my NM handpicked her two "pets" to take the position. It's SICKENING.

One is a nurse about 2 years and is so far up my NM's butt she is part of her intestines. The other is a traveller nurse. My NM just loves her. Why? who knows.

Neither of these nurses take ICU patients, ever.

I'm so angry. I hate the politics of nursing. It kills me that these two "know it alls" are going to bossing the rest of us around.

I'm looking for a new job.

Cherry

How do I deal with this in the meantime?

I'm just so sick of the favoritism. Why is nursing like this?

Cherry

jnette, ASN, EMT-I

Specializes in Hemodialysis, Home Health. Has 10 years experience.

Originally posted by CherryRN

I just found out that my unit will be hiring two nurse leaders. No one knew the positions were posted.

why?

Because my NM handpicked her two "pets" to take the position. It's SICKENING.

I'm so angry. I hate the politics of nursing.

I'm looking for a new job.

Cherry

Sorry CherryRN.

Things do suk sometimes, don't they? I don't guess it's a whole lot different in other areas of employment, though, when it comes to this kind of nonsense... I think this is one that's pretty much universal. Not that it's RIGHT... by any means.

I wish there were some way for nurses and their hard work, their honest efforts, their time, energy, and sacrifices to be acknowleged and appreciated... by our OWN... instead of always feeling like... well... someone's always looking to get ya. pauk.gif Kinda like that...

Good luck in your search. There ARE good NMs out there. Few and far between, but I consider myself extremely fortunate for having one. Hope you find a happier place. :)

Audreyfay

Specializes in Everything but psych!. Has 31 years experience.

Wow! This is a tough one. I know I'd be looking for another job pronto. At the exit interview, I'd be sure to mention something. I've always tried hard to not burn bridges. But, sometimes I, unfortunately, have. Good luck!

Originally posted by CherryRN

How do I deal with this in the meantime?

I'm just so sick of the favoritism. Why is nursing like this?

Cherry

I would say get a thicker skin LOL...sorry just kidding, carry-over from an argument on another board.

Seriously, this is a bunch of crap, but I think the others are right, this goes on all over the place. In the job I'm in now, there are a select chosen few who seem to get whatever they want while the rest of us could walk on water and not get anywhere. Just not much you can do but keep plugging away until you find your opening and run with it. I hope this helps :)

Tim

Well, I have just "retired" from the computer business, and unfortunately, this kind of thing goes on all the time. It's not just nursing, it's the nature of organizations.

Even if it had been posted, the NM would probably have picked her 2 pets. So my question is, do they have something that the others don't have? Some sort of certification, or experience? Are they complainers or agree-ers? Managers mostly pick people who they think are on their side and will give them the least amount of trouble.

Anyway, good luck. I hope it works out for you.

Oldie but goodie

Originally posted by oldiebutgoodie

Well, I have just "retired" from the computer business, and unfortunately, this kind of thing goes on all the time. It's not just nursing, it's the nature of organizations.

Even if it had been posted, the NM would probably have picked her 2 pets. So my question is, do they have something that the others don't have? Some sort of certification, or experience? Are they complainers or agree-ers? Managers mostly pick people who they think are on their side and will give them the least amount of trouble.

Anyway, good luck. I hope it works out for you.

Oldie but goodie

Good point, on my police department, when a job is posted, several people will put in for the job, but one person will have been "told" to put in for it by the administration. They do a whole interview and testing process, but guess who always gets picked? lol

Another point regarding this--

If you can stand to do so, go up to the 2 new nurse leaders and tell them that you are behind them and look forward to working with them.

If you plan on staying, that will make your life a lot easier. If you look unhappy, they will know and put you on their sh*t list.

It hurts, but it works.

Oldie but goodie

yes, cherry, this goes on everywhere. oldie is right, keep a smile on your face and congratulate the "pets". it will make your life easier. do not discuss your plan to leave with anyone until you have a firm offer. do not dwell on this circumstance during the exit interview. administration does not care if the process was done in the right way, they don't want any flak over it, so don't get put on the s--t list . just chalk this up to a learning experience and move on. if you stay, keep any opinion about these two to yourself, it sounds like they will have plenty of spies out .

Most managers pick those who are positive, "can-do" kind of people for leadership positions. It wouldn't make sense to pick someone whose goals and beliefs are very different from yours, or someone who wasn't supportive of you. I'm not sure what these 2 are like, but being supportive of the manager, or agreeing with his/her goals does not necessarily mean you are "up his/her butt". Just my opinion. But maybe there is something about this situation that isn't clear to me.

Seniority alone does not necessarily guarantee that someone will be an effective leader. Usually the kind of attributes that are desired are a positive attitude, ability to influence others, ability to support the organization's mission and goals, and good organizational skills. What is it about these 2 that make them NOT right for the position?

I hope things work out well for you, good luck in whatever you decide to do.

zambezi, BSN, RN

Specializes in CCU (Coronary Care); Clinical Research.

Nursema, I totally agree with your post. Certainly, there could be more going on than is relayed in this thread, and if that is the case, I hope it works out for the OP and you find somewhere that you are happier. Organizations find people to fit their needs apparently these two fit. If you stay, I would remain positive and part of the team, you can't change anything if you are negative and too many bridges are burnt (not that you will be burning bridges:) ) If there really is an issue and these two were picked on favoritism and not because of ability/leadership qualities, hopefully that will be found out sooner than later. I hope it works out for you :)

we're unionized, so this does not happen to us. The manager cant just pick her pet. There is a written process that management must follow for open positions.

First the position is posted on the unit and anyone from another shift on that unit can apply to transfer into it. Then the position she vacates on the other shift is the one that is posted in house for 10 days. Anyone on any unit and any shift can apply for it. If someone applies within that time period to transfer into it, they get interviewed for qualification. If they are qualified and in good standing (no recent disciplinary actions), they have to get the job. The manager has no basis to refuse her. If more than one person in house applies, it goes to the most senior qualified. If no one applies to transfer into the open position within those 10 days, it gets advertized outside. Only then may the supervisor offer it to anyone she wants.

BTW, how can they put a temporary employee into a permanent leadership position on your unit? Did anyone ask the manager what happens to that position when that traveler who's getting it up & leaves for a new assignment?

Hi everyone.

First, I'd like to thank all of you that replied to my venting post. I know I didn't give many details but that is for privacy and because I was so angry I couldn't write much. lol

The position was posted, but buried under a bunch of other postings. Not everyone on the staff knew about the posting or that we were even starting this leader position on our unit.

It is a known fact that the NM told her two chosen ones about the posting and that was it. No one else was told.

I have absolutely no problem with nurseleaders. I agree that my NM needs help. I take issue with the fact that my NM only told two people about it.

Neither nurse has ICU experience. How will they lead an ICU?

Given that very important fact, then it is proof that her pets are given the position and not because they are qualified for it. One of them is a NOTORIOUS butt kisser. She is NOT QUALIFIED. The other is just a goldenchild to my NM. Which is fine if she has her favorites, but it isn't right to EMPOWER THEM.

These nurses are very friendly acquaintances of mine. I have no personal issues with them. I do have an issue if they are going to be my supervisor, though. They are the type of women that let a little bit of power get to their heads.

Power + no qualifications is a dangerous combination.

I will continue to act the same at work. I will smile and take care of my patients. I will see how it goes, give it some time. But it will be hard. I know this happens everywhere, but it doesn't make it any easier to take. I will not confront anyone on this issue, believe me.

I fight with my hat. I put it on and walk away.

If anyone has any other wise advice, I am always willing to hear it and think about things. Thanks for letting me vent.

Cherry

I just wanted to say that I think you are handling it exactly right. You said you will continue as before and see what happens you arent saying you wont give it a chance. If things dont work out you intend to leave also agree with that plan. You are right these two do not seem to be qualified for the jobs at all. I would think it would be a completely harey carey and scarey situation to work in. But you never know one or both may rise to the occassion and surprise you. We have a NM who is way less qualified than most of us are and most of the time we avoid her completely she is pretty much a waste of time and budget. Will never understand these moves by higher ups but I am just a little LPN what do I know.

llg, PhD, RN

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development. Has 43 years experience.

I am not going to try to judge the qualifications of the 2 people in the original post who were promoted -- because there are a lot of details we do not know. Most notably, we don't know why the NM who hired/promoted them made that decision.

However, I thought I could raise one other point to consider.

A lot of people automatically assume that it is a bad thing that managers often have a pretty good idea who they will promote before a position is posted -- even before it becomes available. In fact, that is a good thing -- something recommended by every leadership expert.

A good leader knows her staff, their strengths, weaknesses, potential for the future, etc. A good leader is always keeping an eye open to spot potential successors and future leaders to nurture. She wants to nurture those staff members who demonstrate leadership potential and seek opportunities for them to develop further. Her choice of candidates for promotion should be based on her on-going assessment of her staff's performance on a daily basis -- NOT just how they did on their promotion application and brief interview.

The application/interview process provides an opportunity for the candidate to highlight certain skills and aspects of themselves that might not be apparent every day. However, the biggest weight in the decision-making will usually be given to the candidates actual performance on an every-day basis as known by the people making the hiring.

Also, sometimes the people with the "most qualifications" are not a good "fit" for the job. I've been involved in such decisions. The people reviewing the applications have to weigh what "seems fair" because of the qualifications of one candidate and what will actuall work out best for the organization in the long because a lesser-qualified candidate will be a better fit. In such a case, the organization usually picks the person that will work out best in the long run because that is their main concern. Setting a well-qualified, but poorly fitting candidate up for failure does not help anyone in the long run.

And as someone said in an earlier post .... Years of experience does not equal more qualified nor more suitable for a job.

I'm real curious as to what the other side of this story is .... what the Nurse Manager would say about why she picked these two people over some of her more experienced staff members. I wonder what her reasons were.

llg

I agree with the above poster that NM should know her staff and have good idea of fit. I just think it would be a good idea especially in said area of nursing that they have some experience.

traumaRUs, MSN, APRN, CNS

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU. Has 27 years experience.

While I don't consider myself "brown-nosing" I do work for a manager with whom I agree. We honestly like each other and have a similar management philosphy. However, I was told last year that in order to advance, I would need a better education. So, I am back in school for a combined BSN/MSN. I also keep all my certifications current, I teach CPR/ACLS, I precept and basically do what I am asked to do or what will help the unit out as a whole. I also serve on several hospital-wide committees in order to know what other units are doing. The ER is different from other places so I really enjoy listening to other units problems and trouble-shooting with them.

epg_pei

Has 3 years experience.

Originally posted by CherryRN

How do I deal with this in the meantime?

I'm just so sick of the favoritism. Why is nursing like this?

Cherry

If it's any consolation, it's not just nursing. I've quit jobs for the same kind of thing.

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