Why do you think so many healthcare workers are mean and arrogant? - page 4
Not all of course, but many physicians, nurses, and other health care workers have mean and arrogant personalities. Why do you think this is? Is it that.... 1. You have to be very... Read More
Jan 3, '08Occupation: RN ICU Specialty: Accepted...Master's Entry Program, 2008! ; Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 535; Likes: 50Quote from mikethernHm....My personal opinion is that it is because the insurance companies *in general* want "yes people".Not all of course, but many physicians, nurses, and other health care workers have mean and arrogant personalities.
Why do you think this is?
Is it that....
1. You have to be very competitive to get into medical or nursing school. Competitive people are often cut-throat.
2. The stress of the job causes workers to be cranky and mean.
3. Unhappy people act arrogant to feel better about their lives.
4. Workers learn to be mean from other coworkers. It's a conformity thing.
5. Most people in the world these days lack manners.
Much of the trend in healthcare is driven by insurance. Insurance companies want doctors that say yes to them and are willing to follow their rules. They do not want doctors that argue Pill A is better for the patient than Pill B, they want doctors that say "OK, I will use Pill B".
This results in a lot of "technicians" getting trained, not the most personable people.
I personally know a lot of former doctors that retired early (my own father being one) or left the field entirely because of this.
Jan 3, '08Occupation: Freelancing Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele ; Joined: Jun '07; Posts: 5,292; Likes: 7,635I think doctors were more arrogant in past eras. They used to not even tell a person their own prognosis honestly, they used to just expect the patient to obey orders without questioning, they used to arrogantly deny patients pain medicine, they used to treat everyone like children.
Nurses used to order patients and families around, hospitals wouldn't let mothers stay overnight with their young children, strict visiting rules were enforced, and the public was expected to obey.
So, I don't agree that things have gotten worse.
Jan 3, '08Occupation: QAPI RN/MDS Specialty: 25 year(s) of experience in LTC ; From: MO, US ; Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 305; Likes: 310Mike, when I read the OP it prompted a really knee-jerk response in me and it wasn't a nice one. I'm, however, glad I read the rest of the thread. You sound really burned out on OR. I've never been attracted to the OR and had only a limited rotation in LPN school but I did hear stories about surgeons that liked to eat nurses and students for lunch. Sounds like a universal phenomenon, actually.
I agree with Angie O'Plasty, too - maybe it's time for a change in specialties?
Jan 3, '08Occupation: Licensed Practical Nurse Specialty: Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health ; From: US ; Joined: Sep '05; Posts: 9,297; Likes: 8,221While I do think that these descriptions fit in each walk in life, I can say that it happens in the health care profession because of the competitive nature of entering into these programs, graduating, taking certifying exams, only to find out that the general concensus is "Who cares what you do as long as no one finds out?"
I was TOTALLY turned off to college and the whole scene of fighting to enter these . I happen to enjoy education because I like learning-that is it. Learning in a formal setting does allow us to challenge our minds, giving us activities to discover more on subjects that we would have never explored before. But, while I was attending nursing school, I did NOT enjoy my learning experience because of the petty competitiveness of people. Even though I graduated top of the class, I did not want to be awarded for it, because in my eye, it didn't mean anything. What about the others that worked hard with impossible situations, such as discovering that you have cancer in the middle of the semester, a death in the family, losing your job, etc... The entire time from entrance to exit, we had to worry about the grades, the stupid meaningless assignments, etc, and I said to myself (and meant it), that after leaving this, I would never go back to school again except for personal growth and development.
Then, when working, this same issue can apply. Now, it is not just nursing, but, it is everywhere from wall street to janitors. What I learned from this experience is to be happy and grateful for the good things I have in my life...my husband, son, friends, health, and my mind. I decided to work to live, not live to work.
Jan 3, '08Occupation: Medical Imaging RN~Special Procedures CT Specialty: 33 year(s) of experience in OB, M/S, HH, Medical Imaging RN ; Joined: Aug '04; Posts: 6,708; Likes: 1,449I find that there are mean and arrogant people in all walks of life, no matter their occupation, or whether or not they even work at all.
Mean people have forgotten or never learned how to be compassionate towards their fellow man.
Arrogant, for the most part, are people with a low self-esteem who make themselves feel better by belittling others.
Jan 3, '08Joined: Mar '07; Posts: 192; Likes: 133Quote from MIA-RNI agree, I think many people working in retail nowadays are arrogant.I don't know that its just healthcare workers. I've seen arrogance in people of many different occupations.
I think its everywhere, not specific to just one field.
I think people become that way for different reasons. Some are born or raised with a sense of entitlement, some are stressed, some are misunderstood, and some are just having bad days; I am sure that there are many more reasons that I can't think of for the way people act as they do.
But again, its that way everywhere.
Jan 3, '08Occupation: manifesting Philippeans 4:8 From: US ; Joined: Aug '07; Posts: 5,944; Likes: 11,197at the age of 43, i think i've been around long enough to state that i perceive an ever-increasing lack of respect and civility in our population.
to the extent that the op is correct (my only experience comes as a patient but i have seen it), i think it's a mixture of:
1) mean, arrogant people getting into positions with limited accountability (athletes, surgeons, ceos, high-end chefs, actors, etc ... pretty much anybody who's irreplaceable)
2) the feces-follows-gravitational-pull principle means that their attitudes get handed off to those below them.
3) then begins the lateral effects, otherwise known as misery loves company.
4) number 2 repeats itself over and over all the way down the chain.
add to all of that the unique stress of the medical environment and it just gets that much worse. patients are scared and vulnerable and just add to the problem.
overall, though, i still think it's a symptom of the lack of compassion and civility in our culture.
as the bumper stickers so eloquently state:
mean people suck
Jan 3, '08Occupation: Triage RN for 18 MD cardiology practice Specialty: 24 year(s) of experience in ER, Occupational Health, Cardiology ; Joined: Apr '07; Posts: 526; Likes: 172Expand those same thoughts to include drivers, and road rage. It is indicative of how we have devolved to allow the disrespect of everyone from our President to our next door neighbor (and even our family members).
Self-respect fosters respect for others. Self-respect cannot be demanded or bought, and certainly cannot be achieved by climbing onto the backs of people that a person has "knocked down" physically or verbally, or by any other aggressive means. I think this is the element that is missing in most professions, and in so many people, today.
Jan 3, '08Occupation: RN ICU Specialty: Accepted...Master's Entry Program, 2008! ; Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 535; Likes: 50Quote from bigsyisIt's a two way street, though. The President certainly doesn't respect the people, so........It is indicative of how we have devolved to allow the disrespect of everyone from our President to our next door neighbor (and even our family members)......
Jan 3, '08Occupation: Triage RN for 18 MD cardiology practice Specialty: 24 year(s) of experience in ER, Occupational Health, Cardiology ; Joined: Apr '07; Posts: 526; Likes: 172Quote from mvanz9999I'm not sure if you missed the point or are trying to make another. By using the President in my post I was attempting to use the spectrum of American society from the highest public office down to our birth brothers and sisters. Nobody seems to be respected anymore.It's a two way street, though. The President certainly doesn't respect the people, so....
Jan 3, '08Occupation: Infusion therapy Specialty: 13 year(s) of experience in ER, Infusion therapy, Oncology ; Joined: Aug '07; Posts: 244; Likes: 205If you work in a hospital that allows physicains to verbally abuse you then perhaps you should change facilities. The hospital I work at has a strict policy about staff (this includes physicians) treating each other with respect. The responses to your post did not appear like "snippy defensive responses" although your response to theirs did.
Jan 3, '08Occupation: RN ICU Specialty: Accepted...Master's Entry Program, 2008! ; Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 535; Likes: 50Quote from bigsyisi did not miss the point. i was actually just sort of agreeing with ♪♫ in my ♥ above.i'm not sure if you missed the point or are trying to make another. by using the president in my post i was attempting to use the spectrum of american society from the highest public office down to our birth brothers and sisters. nobody seems to be respected anymore.
starts with the president and flows downhill....
Jan 3, '08Occupation: RN-PACU/Preop Specialty: 6 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Sep '05; Posts: 17The OR becomes this sort of giant dysfunctional family with the surgeon being the yelling, abusive father of sorts.
The beautiful, utopian "I respect all my coworkers, and enjoy working with them" facade disintegrates when the patient drifts off.....