My preceptor is everything they taught us NOT to be...

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I was hired on a med-surge floor, and have been working with a preceptor for several weeks. After questioning some of the things she is "teaching" me, I've been given a "final warning" and am facing termination over complaints made to my manager "per preceptor".

I a new grad from an excellent, small hospital based program where the instructors have tons of professional and life experience, and we leave feeling like confident, competent New Grads. I was assigned to a preceptor who has just over a year experience, and was impressed by my clinical skills, stating she didn't learn anything in school. I've noticed the following things that have caused me to question her practice and ability to precept. I would like some opinions on whether I'm over reacting, or valid in my concerns...

Pt has a stage 4 pressure ulcer on her coccyx, wet to dry dsg changes ordered q day. I observed while she changed the dressing. No sterile field, no sterile gloves, out clean gloves on, removed the dsg and packing, never changed the gloves, soaked the packing with her gloves hands, repacked and dressed the wound.

If my pt has multiple IV meds ordered for the same time she told me to scan them all, hang one, and leave the rest to be hung when it finishes. I don't sign for meds that haven't been given.

Non verbal pt has orders for blood glucose monitoring and insulin sliding scale. 0630 fingersick done, pt does not score for coverage. 0800 the tech who came on did another finger stick and pt needs 2 units. At 1000 preceptor says that pt needs coverage, I never signed off on the task (he didn't score when it was ordered). 1030 administering meds, recheck fingerstick and pt needs 2 units. I signed off on the 0700 order (outside of parameters), charted the new reading, gave the insulin at 1030 for the 1100 order. That's wrong, I should have covered him for 0700 and rechecked at 1100. I told her I don't think I should give insulin 2.5 hours after a fingerstick without a recheck. Or cannot even tell us if he's feeling off, and is npo with tube feeds.

New admission two days post discharge. Dementia, not a good historian of her medical hx. Form asks "has pt had a flu shot". Preceptor states "I don't know for sure, but they must have given it on d/c. Charts that she had it and pneumonia vax on date of last d/c.

We were told that no blood pressure meds are to be given without a. BP within 30 minutes. She was not there that day. It is 0920, pt has a bp charted for 0811, but the techs do vs at 0700, it was charted at 0811. "Give it, it's fine". Next pt is on a beta blocker, calcium channel blocker, and 80mg lasix. I rechecked the BP and she seemed quite annoyed.

I heard her giving report in the hall outside a pt room. Openly discussing hx of drug abuse, etc. Another pt is a registered sex offender, I overheard her telling a tech from another dept. His reason for being a sex offender.

I had a pt who was on two iv and, including vancomyicin. The day before she had IV contrast. Her BUN and Creatinine were elevated, GFR was around 40 the day before. She told me in the am that she is usually up four times a night to void but hasn't been up once. I report this to preceptor. After a little bit, I got her up to the commode where she voids 40mls. At lunch I got her up again and she voids 60. I went to preceptor who tells me that she went for her. I asked if I should call the doc just to be safe, she says she will take care of it. End of shift I asked, she said pt is fine, no need. RN I am reporting to ask about output, I explained it to him and he called provider.

I could keep going, but I feel like a vindictive crazy person. I know these are bad habits, and refuse to adopt them into my own practice. She wants all of my tasks and charting to be done by 10am. I often do not reach that because I choose to assist pts with am care, breakfast, ect. The charting can wait in my opinion, as long as everything is done on time. I have one foot out the door anyway, and will likely be fired today. I can deal with that, I definitely can, but I was advices by a mentor to approach her, I tried, and yo go to the manager, I asked him to meet with me, and he told me that he has continued to receive negative feedback from my preceptor and will discuss it with me. I know I'm being fired, and there's not much to do to change that, unfortunately being fired means I will not be eligible for 're-hire at the one hospital near me. But, what do I do about this preceptor? Let it go so the next new nurse can learn these poor habits, or try to bring it to someone else's attention?

Thanks for listening, sorry about the extremely long post...I refuse to adapt bad habits just yet, or sit back while patient safety is compromised, unless of course I'm being an over reactive cry baby.

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

I can't even read all your examples. If you know all this then do it in your own practice. What is wrong with saying let me grab a manual BP before I give this norvasc. We routinely give 0700 insulin at 1030 when the pt gets their breakfast. If the last BG is old I get the meter myself and recheck it. Telling a nurse who has been there longer than you how to do her job is bad practice. You are new. Instead of worrying about what other people do you need to work on figuring things out for your own practice.

Specializes in geriatrics.
So.. what I hear you saying is... while one is orientation... one has no say in the delivery of care?

No that's not what I'm saying. I replied based on the information that the OP has posted here, and the fact that she is soon to be terminated. It's all in the approach.

At this point, considering the lousy job market, she is better off to try and "make nice", keep her opinions to herself, and do things differently when she is on her own.

Specializes in ICU.

The OP is a critical thinker and the preceptor is just a tasker and a vindictive little witch.

The OP should not be vilified here or at work just for trying to protect her patients.

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
The OP is a critical thinker and the preceptor is just a tasker and a vindictive little witch.

The OP should not be vilified here or at work just for trying to protect her patients.

And you know this how? We are only getting one side of the story here, so unless you were there at the time...

Specializes in Critical Care.
The OP is a critical thinker and the preceptor is just a tasker and a vindictive little witch.

The OP should not be vilified here or at work just for trying to protect her patients.

I got the opposite impression, did you mean the OP is "just a tasker"?

Specializes in geriatrics.

Sometimes, you have to play the game in order to survive the politics. The OP is not going to be an effective advocate for her patients when she's terminated.

The lesson here is this: be mindful of your approach. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Specializes in Acute Care Pediatrics.

I remember when I finally hit the floor fresh out of nursing school, sure that I was going to be able to save the world. The real world is not the NCLEX world in which you have been living for the past few years. It is what it is. Sure, your preceptor sounds like she has some stuff that she needs to work on, but I will tell you 100% that real world nursing is NOTHING like what you have been taught. The sooner you let go of those preconceived notions, the better.

Sorry, I was not trying to be sarcastic in my comment, not at all. I'm brand new to nursing, and really don't know anything. I put my head down and didn't say a word for several weeks until she started hammering me with bad feedback, even then I only asked her a couple of times why she does things the way she does. I'm lacking in nursing experience, but have plenty of life experience, and am not out to be an arrogant b####. I didn't "tattle" on her, I didn't talk to anyone else in that department or the manager about any of this. Seriously, if an orientee asks why you do things a certain way, especially when all of your clinical experience was at a different hospital, than why take offense? I really did not try to come off that way, maybe I did, who knows, and apparently I'm coming off that way here.

You probably should never ask questions. Just keep your head down and your mouth shut, laugh at her jokes, don't quarrel or second guess. Survive.

Actually, you are right in all of your assessments. But you failed the interpersonal getting along thing.

Not really your fault - your preceptor is afraid, took offense, unfortunately has the upper hand. Your manager should have been talking to you from the beginning of any negative feedback from preceptor.

I am so sorry you got a rotten deal. That, however, seems to be what Nursing has come to in these United States. Better luck on your next job. Perhaps you won't be fired, maybe they will let you resign. Ask for that deal, tell next potential employer you realized it just wasn't "a good fit". God, I hate that expression.

Sometimes, you have to play the game in order to survive the politics. The OP is not going to be an effective advocate for her patients when she's terminated.

The lesson here is this: be mindful of your approach. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Or that you said it at all.

My primary preceptor, a 30-year nurse, was clueless. Almost no clinical skills, no computer skills, no time management skills (other than taking her breaks), zero ability to plan, react, or adjust to situations. No interest in taking initiative. Completely clueless on the use of the EMR system. Not able to use any electronic tools or resources. Not able to and no interest in figuring out multiple IVs or compatibility. No interest in patient progress or planning. Never tried to figure out a thing for herself, always called and blamed the doctor or pharmacist and even refused verbal orders when she got responses (she didn't know how to use Epic to implement the orders). The only thing she ever did was double-check my medications.

Every time. Even on our last day. That's all she did. "I'm making sure we keep our licenses."

I pretended to pay rapt attention to everything she said or did, got through preceptorship with glowing reviews and began doing nothing the way she did when I got on my own. (I did have other very good preceptors and some other excellent mentors.)

I worked on that unit four years, gained excellent experience, and moved on. She is still there giving nurses a really bad name. Every day I hope she retires.

Why is she allowed to get away with not keeping up with change?

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I feel horrible that people are talking as if you did something wrong. I've been in your situation. Sadly, I had to quit that job eventually. I was matched with adifferent preceptor, but still couldn't bring myself to trust anyone after her. She badmouthed me so I thought everyone already had a bad opinion of me. You are not wrong for questioning her skills. Yes, things will never be as you were taught in nursing school but you CAN be a competent nurse. Some nurses are just warm bodies who come to work for the patient nurse ratio. The management know them, but they don't care as long as they show up. They can't teach you, they don't know better. They have 12 hours to make so go with the flow be like them. Please just do as she says and count your days until preceptorship is over. Make sure you do things right when she's not with you. So you don't become her duplicate. You like to do things right just like me. I'm a bit OCD and stubborn on top of it. I had a hard time precepting. Nursing will be easier once you are on you own. YES, charting is IMPORTANT. CHART first! remember what I said about management they just want u to be there to chart. They don't care. Chart n chart n smile to your pts. Ask ur tech to do other things for u. Make sure you are liked and keep charting and keep showing up for 12 hours ������. Sorry. Welcome to nursing or quit. Look into ICU or other specialty where u can do things correctly. I'm going into ICU now I hope it's better. I was you a year ago, I quit after 5 months to go to a different hospital where they let me do things my way. I felt confident and now I'm going to be precepted again ������. Go to work and chart away ������

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