Non Narcotic Theft and Terminated

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How will this affect future employment? It was some B/P meds. Awaiting to see if hospital files with BON.

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1 hour ago, Horseshoe said:

How does a nurse without a license get work as a nurse?

I believe (but do not know) that she believes a. people who "should have lost their licenses, but didn't because they were not reported" and b. "people who were suspended, but who got their licenses back after a period of time." There are also other less common approaches such as establishing multiple identities complete with forged credentials (driver's licenses transcripts ect). Although, harder than it used to be given the current state of computer records, it can still be accomplished especially if one represents oneself as coming from a different county or territory such as America Samoa, or Puerto Rico where records are often less formalized (finger prints are another issue, but even these can be altered). Of course these latter options are speculative, I'm going with options a/b being far more likely.

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On 6/19/2019 at 3:05 PM, exelor said:

How will this affect future employment? It was some B/P meds. Awaiting to see if hospital files with BON.

You're a NURSE. Why would you steal any meds? I don't understand. If you were desperate, why didn't you just talk to management before taking the meds? I think you're missing a huge point here and that is if you can't be trusted with little things (like BP meds) then how can you be trusted with huge things like narcotics and people's lives?

We all make mistakes but this is just beyond what most of us will be able to comprehend. To make matters worse, you don't seem to be genuinely sorry for what you did, only that the hospital may report you. How about that patient who you stole from? Did you state that you gave him / her their meds?? What about his / her blood pressure?

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12 hours ago, Horseshoe said:

How does a nurse without a license get work as a nurse?

They get it re in stated after completing a rehab program however it does go on their record. However they still get jobs ?

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11 hours ago, myoglobin said:

I believe (but do not know) that she believes a. people who "should have lost their licenses, but didn't because they were not reported" and b. "people who were suspended, but who got their licenses back after a period of time." There are also other less common approaches such as establishing multiple identities complete with forged credentials (driver's licenses transcripts ect). Although, harder than it used to be given the current state of computer records, it can still be accomplished especially if one represents oneself as coming from a different county or territory such as America Samoa, or Puerto Rico where records are often less formalized (finger prints are another issue, but even these can be altered). Of course these latter options are speculative, I'm going with options a/b being far more likely.

Yes a. People who were not reported and didn’t loose their license and only got fired found work

and again B. People who lost their license and got it reinstated

there is also c. People who lost their license and found work as medical assistants , BLS and ACLS Certification teachers ,

once again , I’m just offering alternative advice , non judgemental, for the poster , there’s many nurses suffering or in the wrong who can’t speak up because fear of massive attack and whilst many people may not like my answer

I want to let people know , the hospital number one priority is income, sorry , reporting nurses to the BON, unless absolutely necessary is just not going to look good to their share holders. Again I am not saying this nurse did the right thing . But I want to tell you people since I have traveled all over USA and in several countries , I have seen nurses doing things you could not imagine. Some were let go , some still working , as a travel nurse I only work and do not participate in politics. I’m just here to share what nurses may not see because they may have been at the same place for some time.

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13 hours ago, Horseshoe said:

This tired old myth seems to never die. It is NOT TRUE that employers can only give your dates of employment and whether you are eligible for rehire. They can say anything that is true.

Many facilities will have a voluntary policy to only give out that information because they just do not want the hassle of potentially being sued by someone who is pissed that their reference has cost them another job. But there are no laws which forbid employers from being truthful about past employees.

I guess it may but be true , I guess what should say , is that after many many interviews , in my contract job , temporary fill in , emergency short term job staffing need life , the previous employers have only stated the dates of employment. In fact many hospitals when I was hunting for per diem work , never asked why I have not held a staff in almost a decade.

In fact what many many large hospitals are doing now is having you send a link to your references (not HR) your references who can even be a charge nurse or any one who supervises you fill out a survey , wait it gets better they send you the survey for you to see what your references will be asked , which of course makes you decide who you will be sending your surveys to . And lastly again (I’m sure I will receive many darts thrown my way ) many many nurses have their friends fill it out. And give them top ratings. Hypothetically you found a hospital that does surveys as ratings . You are all set.

My only nursing advice to you is please use your new job that you will most certainly get . As your do over ?

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On 6/19/2019 at 7:12 PM, exelor said:

Waiting to see if board will be involved, then applying for new job. What do I need to be concerned about with applivation/ new job?

Hey how are you , I realized that I have not actually responded to any of your quotes , I see that you work in Texas , which is good freaking news , if you want a very very real solution, and plan please private message me , I will tell you about myself first. I have been a travel nurse in 32 states and three countries , in the ICU, PCU, med surg , as well as nursing homes , private duty and rehab. This wide range of experience has exposed me to good nursing behavior and bad nursing behavior , by bad I mean worse than what you did. Some didn’t get caught; The ones who were fired didn’t have to throw in their nursing towel . One of the things my perspective in nursing has done is humble me . I now actively advice nurses how to get work after they lost their license until they get their license , I also actively help nurses escape a situation where they will loose their nursing license by removing themselves from their current place of employment into one with less temptation. I’ve come across pregnant nurses with a drug habit using while pregnant, and I’ve come across nurses with gambling habits who get so far deep they need to steal blankets and tissues from hospitals to have supplies at home . Moreover I’m 30 years old a Generation Y’er. I have a feeling you are under 50. So I’m not your mom or grandma. In short I want to help you get your do over. I imagine you gave the patient blood pressure medicine but took some extra supplies out of the Pyxis. Enough where they were suspicious because I imagine one dose of patient blood pressure medicine wouldn’t treat you. So before we get our do over , make sure you have a primary so you won’t be in this situation again because certainly you still have a blood pressure problem.

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3 hours ago, Nurselexii said:

I want to let people know , the hospital number one priority is income, sorry , reporting nurses to the BON, unless absolutely necessary is just not going to look good to their share holders. Again I am not saying this nurse did the right thing . But I want to tell you people since I have traveled all over USA and in several countries , I have seen nurses doing things you could not imagine. Some were let go , some still working , as a travel nurse I only work and do not participate in politics. I’m just here to share what nurses may not see because they may have been at the same place for some time.

So because you're a travel nurse, as many of us have been as well, you assume we're ignorant on what happens when nurses job hop after doing things in which they should have lost their licenses? And for those who don't job hop, you say that as if it's a bad thing they "may have been in at the same place in some time." Have you traveled to places that were so corrupt you just look the other way for money and damn the quality of patient care? That says more about you as a person than the nurses who are committing the crimes. I can't, with a clear conscience, sit back and watch people harm patients and pretend like I don't see it, especially if the nurse is completely unsafe to everyone, including themselves. It's not about politics, it's about patient advocacy and that whole thing about do no harm.

We can't offer legal advice but you're so blahzay about this that you seem to think you're some nursing Matlock because you've traveled. Travel nursing isn't exclusive to you. Somehow you come across as non caring and solely about money. Please don't give OP bad advice based upon the lack of oversight you've seen over the years. Because of all the patients who have died recently due to years of lax reporting, doesn't equate this will happen to OP. You don't know what her facility is like. Stop giving bad advice.

OP why haven't you asked the mods to delete this thread? Also, don't take advice from anyone except an attorney.

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8 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

So because you're a travel nurse, as many of us have been as well, you assume we're ignorant on what happens when nurses job hop after doing things in which they should have lost their licenses? And for those who don't job hop, you say that as if it's a bad thing they "may have been in at the same place in some time." Have you traveled to places that were so corrupt you just look the other way for money and damn the quality of patient care? That says more about you as a person than the nurses who are committing the crimes. I can't, with a clear conscience, sit back and watch people harm patients and pretend like I don't see it, especially if the nurse is completely unsafe to everyone, including themselves. It's not about politics, it's about patient advocacy and that whole thing about do no harm.

We can't offer legal advice but you're so blahzay about this that you seem to think you're some nursing Matlock because you've traveled. Travel nursing isn't exclusive to you. Somehow you come across as non caring and solely about money. Please don't give OP bad advice based upon the lack of oversight you've seen over the years. Because of all the patients who have died recently due to years of lax reporting, doesn't equate this will happen to OP. You don't know what her facility is like. Stop giving bad advice.

OP why haven't you asked the mods to delete this thread? Also, don't take advice from anyone except an attorney.

Nope none of those things really , I understand and respect your thoughts on this. I’m just a impartial party weighing in on a possible outcome for this OP, I’m not on trial ? hopefully the OP keeps this post open I think many people can learn from this situation.

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19 minutes ago, Nurselexii said:

Nope none of those things really , I understand and respect your thoughts on this. I’m just a impartial party weighing in on a possible outcome for this OP, I’m not on trial ? hopefully the OP keeps this post open I think many people can learn from this situation.

Understood but it's too detailed and if the right person comes across this post, it can be identifiable. Also, we don't know the culture of her facility.

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10 hours ago, Nurselexii said:

Nope none of those things really , I understand and respect your thoughts on this. I’m just a impartial party weighing in on a possible outcome for this OP, I’m not on trial ? hopefully the OP keeps this post open I think many people can learn from this situation.

Adding my thoughts as well. I am astounded that all your advice points towards different ways to cheat the system to avoid any consequences. Even if OP were foolish enough to follow that advice this would always be hanging over her head. She'll be forever looking over her shoulder, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Real good for the blood pressure, no? Plus you can't 100% discount the possibility that somewhere down the road this catches up to her. I imagine the potential consequences could be much worse for somebody who is actively trying to ditch any BON discipline by moving to another job or even another state just hoping to not get caught.

Now if she deals with this situation and handles things through an attorney experienced in such matters the outcome might not be catastrophic to her career. As you said there are plenty of nurses who did way worse than diverting an non-narcotic med and manged to retain their license. An attorney will cost money if retained, yes. But in my opinion in this case that would be money well spent.

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I understand the med was for blood pressure but what was the med? Lisinopril may be looked at differently than say clonidine.

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