No RN experence NP "non-nurse"

dishes, BSN, RN · Jul 30, 2016

What are the BON's licensing requirements for NPs, are RN licenses required?

Malenurse1235954 · Jul 30, 2016

Its technically not true, I'm pretty sure all NPs have to maintain their RN liscense. Every NP school I have seen requires a current RN liscense in good standing and most require a BSN. The non-nurse tern is because yhey didnt stop to work as a RN. One could easily make an argument for and against the term.

I'm just happy there are enough of us that there is a term for it. If this trend continues I hope it motivates NP school to be more rigorous and/or better utilise credits in DNP programs, increase clinical hours, and increase the popularity of nursing residencies/fellowships

elkpark · Jul 30, 2016

Every NP school I have seen requires a current RN liscense in good standing and most require a BSN. The non-nurse tern is because yhey didnt stop to work as a RN.

You're ignoring the kazillion direct-entry MSN programs which take non-nurses, with no prior nursing education or licensure, and turn them into advanced practice nurses. I would have assumed that's what "non-nurse nurse practitioner" refers to.

Malenurse1235954 · Jul 30, 2016

I have looked at a few direct entry programs before and thought they fast track your RN then start working on your NP. However I didnt look at many of these schools since I already have my BSN. Ill try and find the article I was refering to initially with the term "non-nurse" nurse practitioner.

Malenurse1235954 · Jul 30, 2016

I found the article. Second topic if you scroll down.

21 Trends for Nurse Practitioners to Monitor in 2

nutella, MSN, RN · Jul 31, 2016

So the other day I came across an article explaining a term non-nurse nurse practitioner. This refers to nurse practitioners that didnt stop to be RNs before going to NP school. As an aspiring "non-nurse" nurse practitioner, I found this humorous and comforting. Humerous because I could argure for and against. Comforting because there are enough of us for someone to assign us a nickname.
Are there any other non-nurse nurse practitioners out there? How did you do in school and transitioning to practice? How many clinical hours did you get in school? What do you think of NP residencies/fellowships?

To be honest - what I have seen in reality / practice is that the NPs that never worked as a regular RN or only very limited hours to fulfill BON criteria and instead went straight into the advanced practice role are often not prepared for the advanced role. Some NPs somehow make it but I can see the difference. I have rejected NPs for my children based on the fact that they were incompetent and most of those were very young or very not experienced as a nurse.

Malenurse1235954 · Aug 1, 2016

To be honest - what I have seen in reality / practice is that the NPs that never worked as a regular RN or only very limited hours to fulfill BON criteria and instead went straight into the advanced practice role are often not prepared for the advanced role. Some NPs somehow make it but I can see the difference. I have rejected NPs for my children based on the fact that they were incompetent and most of those were very young or very not experienced as a nurse.

I hope schools respond to the increasing trend of no experence RNs going to NP school with more rigorous instruction, increased clinical hours, and more residencies.

Dogen · Aug 1, 2016

I hope schools respond to the increasing trend of no experence RNs going to NP school with more rigorous instruction, increased clinical hours, and more residencies.

I hope this happens regardless of the trend in direct entry and accelerated programs. NP programs need to be more rigorous, cover more science, and have students spend a lot more time practicing under supervision.

KatieMI, BSN, MSN, RN · Aug 1, 2016

BTW, the article contains the link to another article which alleges NEGATIVE correlation between previous experience as an RN and quality of provider as expressed by physicians employing the said APRNs.

In other words, docs think that long nursing experience likely does not increase quality of APRN as provider. That kinda correlate with lack of data regarding being more prone to lawsuits, lack of Medicate quality benchmarks, etc., toward graduates of direct-entry APRN programs, i.e. "no-nurses nurses" in question.

Makes one thinking, isn't it?

BSN16 · Aug 1, 2016

My school actually required that i have so many working RN hours before acceptance

Malenurse1235954 · Aug 1, 2016

BTW, the article contains the link to another article which alleges NEGATIVE correlation between previous experience as an RN and quality of provider as expressed by physicians employing the said APRNs.
In other words, docs think that long nursing experience likely does not increase quality of APRN as provider. That kinda correlate with lack of data regarding being more prone to lawsuits, lack of Medicate quality benchmarks, etc., toward graduates of direct-entry APRN programs, i.e. "no-nurses nurses" in question.
Makes one thinking, isn't it?

I am aware of this research. Also, studies show "non-nurses" do better in school or at least as good as. This goes against traditional thinking and there is a never ending stream of old timers saying experenced RNs make better NPs. Simular to MDs saying their way is the only way and NPs make ****** providers.