No Prior Existing Conditions but Dead Anyway

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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/48007842.html

Who would think that a normally healthy woman would die so swiftly from influenza in June?

Could you ever have imagined such a thing? No wonder her family and friends are in shock.

So why did it happen?

Barbara Davis, 48, was healthy just a week ago. She had dinner with her mother Josephine last Friday night. But just hours after that dinner, Josephine got a phone call.

"My friend, he called me and told me Barbara was real sick. And I said, "Well, she wasn't sick when I left, so what's the matter?" Josephine Davis said.

Barbara told her mother that she was ok. But the next day, things got worse. She had trouble breathing, and she was shaking. She could barely walk into the hospital.

"She tried to talk to people, but she just couldn't talk," Josephine Davis said.

Doctors treated her for two days, but they couldn't save her. They believe she died from swine flu.

"They've never seen nothing like that, what she had. That infection just went through her body, attacking her kidney, her lungs, her liver. Everything," said Josephine Davis.

The Milwaukee Health Department confirmed on Friday a Milwaukee adult with no underlying medical conditions died from swine flu, though they haven't confirmed Barbara Davis was that victim.

Barbara's family knows all too well how serious swine flu can be.

"Everybody is just in a shock. The people that I talked to today, they are frightened. Because it happened all of a sudden," Josephine Davis said.

More than 1,800 people have caught swine flu in Milwaukee alone. The city's Health Department is stressing that if you are mildly ill with flu symptoms, you should call your doctor. If your symptoms are serious or if you have mild symptoms that are getting worse, you should see a doctor right away.

http://www.wisn.com/health/19751526/detail.html

The Milwaukee County Medical Examiner said 48-year-old Barbara Davis died Thursday in the ICU after being diagnosed with the flu strain.

The health department said, unlike Milwaukee's first swine flu victim, Davis did not have any "underlying medical conditions" that would have put her at a greater risk for the disease.

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=248304&postcount=7

This post was written by Dr. Gratten Woodsen, MD commenting over at flutrackers on this unfortunate woman's case.

The decedent is described as having fulminate multi-organ failure that developed rapidly resulting in death 48 hours after onset and despite intensive medical therapy in an ICU including all the bells and whistles.

The attending physicians told the mother that they had never seen anything like this before and I believe them. So did she. No one has seen anything like this since 1918. In 1918 many doctors said the say thing after dealing with their first cases of Spanish Flu and for them too it was a great surprise at least until those that didn't die from the virus themselves had seen it so many times that it was no longer unique.

There are numerous descriptions from the 1918 pandemic that match the one above but no where else in medical history do we find anything remotely similar. This is why the doctors in Milwaukee were so shocked by what they saw.

How many other North American victims had similar pathology? Why have the autopsy and clinical findings from the deaths in Mexico, the US and Canada been suppressed?

I know from press reports that there have been other US deaths where multi-organ failure was present. Is this common among those who have died of Swine Flu or rare? Are the findings similar to those seen in 1918 or not?

(hat tip flutrackers/skatman)

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I submitted a comment in the newspaper link herein, about the need to immediately access healthcare with H1N1 making rounds, and have the vaccination ASAP (not in a critical way).

This incident reflects how fast the virus can progress in uncompromised men as well as pregnant women and children. I wonder if the rural nature of Mr. Finger's community inhibited access to care, or if lack of health insurance or stoicism was the reason for that.

On another thread I've mentioned that I have a nastry "bug" presently that began Sunday, the 12th of Oct. On Monday (yesterday) I called my PCP, explained to his MA that I'd wanted to start Tamiflu without contaminating his waiting room, described my s/s and began taking it last night. So far my throat is slightly better 24 hours later, I'm sneezing more frequently, still have a fever and headaches along with pronounced fatigue and muscle aches. I take a Chinese herb called Yin Ciao for control of rhinitis, and tylenol for pain at appropriate intervals.

Last Aug.'09, I had a similar round with this, was tested for H1N1 (negative, as it was 48 hours, too early for a positive result) and took Tamiflu with similar results and a 2 week course of illness. If this thing is coming at us in waves, I want out of the water! I'm 70 years old, in relatively good health, although a hiatal hernia (5cm) takes up space in my thoracic cavity, causing dyspnea with minimal exercise. :sniff:

As soon as I'm better for a week or so, I'll take the injectible vaccine for H1N1. I had the seasonal flu and pneumonia vaccines 2 1/2 weeks ago......

I wish you all well!!

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Hearing lots of rumors of people being reinfected, but these remain speculation until proven. It could well be something else.

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Runors people are bugging me with:

A) The regular flu shot increases your susceptibility to H1N1

B) The H1N1 has high levels of mercury

Anyone have any reputable links to dispute these rumors?

Thanks!

My only question is "where is that damn vaccine". It's arrival in the city was greeted with much ballyhoo by the media ten days ago. Too bad no one has gotten it. The only place I know of giving out the shots was a physician office in the suburbs that was participating in some sort of study. I saw people going in his office to get it but that was a limited number that were pre-registered. I personally know not one person or child that has gotten either a shot or nasal spray for H1N1. Meanwhile the number of infections is rising by leaps and bounds. It is almost toooo late. If they set up a clinic anywhere it would be stampeded people are so scared.

Runors people are bugging me with:

A) The regular flu shot increases your susceptibility to H1N1

B) The H1N1 has high levels of mercury

Anyone have any reputable links to dispute these rumors?

Thanks!

this comes from comments out of canada.....as someone here observed, this may be accounted for by the fact that the pool of persons seeking the flu shot are skewed to the already compromised.

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Runors people are bugging me with:

A) The regular flu shot increases your susceptibility to H1N1

B) The H1N1 has high levels of mercury

Anyone have any reputable links to dispute these rumors?

Thanks!

If they don't want thimerosal, all they have to do is choose the mist or single dose injection option, both of which are thimerosal free. Does the swine flu vaccine drawn from multi dose vials have more thimerosal than say a seasonal flu shot. I don't know. Does it really matter if you have the options that I already mentioned?

The other issue refers to a Canadian study, popularly referred to as "the Canadian problem" which has been seriously questioned by the CDC. Here's a link to an article about this: http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/701226

Supposedly getting a seasonal flu shot would make one more susceptible to getting swine flu which makes no sense at all. US, Britain, and Australian data do not support this.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gPz7AwhAlmZF7pAyHmP0GWejWPHg

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Nishinomiya, Japan

Looks like a difficult translation.

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=304854&postcount=2

Nishinomiya, Hyogo Prefecture, 14, a small city girl living in the city two years (8) died of multiple organ failure that is caused by a pandemic influenza, said.

The girl did not have an underlying disease. According to the Ministry of Health, the 26th death of the country.

According to the city of Nishinomiya, girls are more a slight fever from the day 11, day 12 in the morning near the body temperature reached 39 degrees.

Were under treatment at home, at about 12, 5:00 pm, filed for disability awareness, was transferred to hospital after a checkup in a hospital in Kobe, Nishinomiya.

Aware that there was no such treatment from the administration that they are not.

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...00113-mai-soci

thanks to Makoto

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Volusia County, Florida

http://www.news-journalonline.com/newsjournalonline/breakingnews/flu101409.htm

A 58-year-old Volusia County man's death announced today is the first death associated with the H1N1 virus in which an underlying medical condition was not a factor, said Dr. Bonnie Sorensen, health director of the Volusia County Health Department.

(hat tip pfi/aurora)

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Cape Coral, Florida

http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=11314601

LEE COUNTY: A 30-year-old Cape Coral woman has died from the H1N1 virus, according to the Lee County Health Department.

The health department says the woman had been hospitalized before her death and didn't have any medical conditions that would increase her risk of complications from the H1N1 virus, also known as the swine flu.

"That is one of the things that is so alarming about swine flu, it doesn't react the way seasonal flu does. Normal healthy people with no pre-existing conditions can have very severe reactions that can lead, ultimately, to death," said Jennifer James Mesloh of the Lee County Health Department.

(hat tip flutrackers/shiloh)

indie.....has anyone done the IgG2 testing in the USA?

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indie.....has anyone done the IgG2 testing in the USA?

An excellent question which was also asked by someone at this link. His question is in the comments below the commentary. It is comment #18, I believe.

http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/09/transmitting_swine_flu_by_talk.php

From Dr. Racaniello:

"Some years ago an ELISA kit was developed to detect antibodies against H1N1 swine influenza (not the current strain). You can read about it here: http://www.jvdi.org/cgi/reprint/16/3/197. I believe the product is HerdCheck Swine Influenza Virus H1N1 Antibody Test Kit, IDEXX Laboratories, Inc., Westbrook, ME. I am not aware of a similar kit to detect antibodies to the 2009 H1N1 strain."

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San Diego, California

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/14/bn14flu-girl-dies/?metro&zIndex=182778

A 5-year-old girl with no known underlying medical conditions has died of swine flu, San Diego County health officials said Wednesday.

Officials with the county's Health and Human Services Agency scheduled a news conference Wednesday afternoon to discuss the case. No further details were immediately available, including where in the county the girl lived.

Dr. Wilma Wooten, county public health officer, and Dr. John Bradley, director of the Division of Infectious Disease for Rady Children's Hospital, will attend the news conference.

(hat tip flutrackers/JimO)

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