New overtime law "myths and facts" Yes, hourly RNs are affected

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Myths and Facts on the Bush Administration's New Overtime Regulation

MYTH: Under the Bush Administration's new overtime laws, very few if any workers making between $23,660 and $100,000 a year will lose overtime eligibility.

FACT: The new Bush Administration overtime laws are written such that many workers who currently earn overtime pay in this pay range are likely to lose it. For example:

Concurrent Duties--Under the old rule, an employee who spent a substantial amount of his or her time on nonexempt work but who also performed some exempt supervisory duties generally remained eligible for overtime pay (under old rule 541.116). Under the new rule, that person will generally be an exempt executive, and not eligible for overtime pay. (New section 541.106)

EXAMPLE--An assistant manager in fast-food, grocery or retail may spend most of his or her time performing "line" duties, like burger flipping or ringing up customers, but still be "in charge" of other workers at the same time. Under the old rule, many of these workers still received overtime pay. Under the new rule, they may very well lose their overtime pay, even if they make as little as $23,660 a year--a wage that qualifies a family for food stamps.

Salary Basis Test--The old rule required an employer to pay a worker a salary in order to deprive the worker of the right to overtime pay. The new rule (541.604) defines salary as an hourly wage, so long as the employer guarantees a minimum wage that bear a loose relationship to hourly compensation.

EXAMPLE--Registered nurses (RNs) are very likely to lose their overtime pay rights. RNs' work satisfies the duties test for professionals, but they are paid hourly, and they don't have much freedom to come and go. If they come in to work late, they are docked an hour's pay, for example. They used to receive overtime pay for the many hours of overtime they are required to perform. Under the new rule, they are likely to lose that right.

There are many other examples of how workers in this salary range are likely to lose overtime pay rights. In general, the final overtime regulation will have an especially large impact on workers with minimal supervisory or "leadership" responsibilities, workers who perform minimal amounts of administrative work, workers with special skills, and certain kinds of employees in the computer field.

MYTH: The new Bush Administration overtime law merely clarifies murky law, thus eliminating unnecessary lawsuits. The law is part of its "proven commitment to protecting workers' rights."

FACT: The new Bush Administration overtime law, in fact, lays out in the regulation exemptions which corporations have not been able to win in the courts. For example:

Journalists--There has been a lot of litigation over whether journalists have the right to receive overtime pay. Courts ruled both ways, based on the facts of each case, and many decisions prohibited journalists from losing the right to overtime. The Bush Administration points to the cases in which journalists have lost the right to overtime as the basis for their new rule, which now makes it much harder for journalists to get overtime pay. In fact, there's a big difference between court cases in a limited number of jurisdictions and the new Bush Administration federal rule, which broadens the exemption nationwide for all journalists. (New section 541.302)

Insurance claims adjusters--Again, court cases on whether insurance claims employees receive overtime pay have gone both ways--some courts have said they are exempt and other have said they should receive overtime pay. This is a very heavily-litigated field, and corporations have not been able to win a blanket victory. The Bush Administration has handed them that victory by changing the nationwide regulation to specify that these employees are generally disqualified from receiving overtime pay. (New Section 541.203(a)) A quarter of insurance claims adjusters make less than $35,000 a year.

MYTH: The Bush Administration merely updated the rules to reflect today's modern workplace, but did not strip workers of overtime pay rights.

FACT: The Bush Administration could have supported the Harkin Amendment which allows them to make any updates to the rules, as long as no worker loses overtime pay. In fact, the Bush Administration has made it MORE difficult for many workers in the structure of today's workplace to receive overtime pay.

Team leaders--Many workplaces are moving toward having a team leader structure under which co-workers oversee one another's work. In the old overtime law, the only people disqualified from receiving overtime pay were "staff" who oversaw "special projects." The new Bush Administration overtime law changes that language so that people who do "line" work--whether it's turning out hamburgers or ringing up sales--and who oversee "major projects" will be likely to lose overtime pay rights. "Special projects" implied that there was a definite start and end to the project, whereas the new "major projects" could go on indefinitely, thus knocking many team leaders out of overtime pay rights.

MYTH: The Bush Administration has cut back on the number of lawsuits which will arise over overtime pay.

FACT: The 500 plus page rule and preamble is very likely to lead to MORE, not LESS, litigation. The rule is, at best, ambiguous. It essentially invites employers to push on these ambiguities, forcing workers who lose overtime pay to challenge their new status in court.

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The government can write it anyway they want, but the bottom line is, it would take alot of stupidity on the part of a hospital to tell a registered nurse you will not get overtime for your extra hours worked.There is no doubt this was created to help curb medical expenses, just as physicians were impacted years ago with managed care. If you want to know how ugly it can get, talk to a oncologist about how they have just been recently impacted.Government wants all chemo tx's in a hospital setting and close tx offices and clinics ,because off "overpayment to these physicians" I feel this overtime rule was written for a future time when the (at least in government and hospital minds) nursing shortage will be over. Here's what they don't get...the job is hard, stressfull, dangerous, and causes numerous health problems. Have 2 kids, both with masters. Are they nurses??? NO,,,is this common for a nurse to not recommend nursing today??? YES...Band together registered nurses...were in for a stretching!!

Specializes in ICU, ED,.

Change is inevitable. The direction of that change will be determined by the efforts of all involved. If nurses stand by and simply watch as the changes slowly take effect around us we can all expect, eventually, to work more hours for less pay. I sincerely believe this issue will have a more profound effect on nursing, either positive or negative, than any other issue in modern times.

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Congress blocks new Labor Department overtime rules

Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a sharp rebuke of a new administration policy, the House moved Thursday to block the Labor Department from carrying out overtime rules that critics argued could deprive millions of workers of their overtime pay.

The 223-193 vote in favor of blocking the new overtime rules defied the White House, which has threatened to veto a massive spending bill now on the House floor if it contains any language tampering with the rules that took effect Aug. 23.

Democrats, united against the rules, were joined by some 20 Republicans in voting for the amendment to a $142.5 billion health and education spending bill.

The vote was President Bush's second election-season defeat in Congress in two days. On Wednesday the Senate disregarded a White House veto threat and voted to prohibit Bush from giving federal immigration jobs to private workers.

"The administration has chosen this time to institute new regulations which for the first time in 80 years scale back workers' entitlement to overtime pay," said Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., a sponsor of the overtime proposal.

Democrats sought to depict the issue as an election-season example of the Bush administration's insensitivity to worker rights, saying the overtime privileges of up to 6 million workers were at risk.

The White House and most Republicans insisted the new rules would update an antiquated overtime pay system and would add more than 1 million lower-paid workers to those eligible for overtime.

"I do think that the clarity that comes with these new rules will help better protect American workers," said Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, chairman of the House Education and the Workforce Committee.

It was unclear how much impact the House vote would have on the Labor Department rules, the biggest overhaul of overtime regulations in more than half a century. The Senate has yet to take up the health and education bill and the provision could still be stripped out of the final bill when the two chambers, both controlled by Republicans, meet to settle on a final version.

The bill may not reach the president's desk for a possible veto before the election.

Democrats and pro-labor Republicans have fought for more than a year to stop the Labor Department from going ahead with the proposed rules, which the administration said were needed to adjust to changing working conditions and clear up confusion that has led to lawsuits against employers.

"For those who receive overtime it's as high as 20 or 25 percent of their income," said Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., co-sponsor of the provision with Obey. "It's the largest government-imposed pay cut in the history of this country."

The AFL-CIO, which has lobbied against the new rules, said the 6 million workers facing weakened overtime protections include working foremen and assistant managers, nurses, workers in the financial services industry, journalists and others performing small amounts of administrative work.

The Labor Department strongly disputes those estimates, saying 1.3 million workers who earn less than $23,660 a year would become eligible, while about 107,000 white-collar workers making $100,000 or more could lose eligibility.

The Department's solicitor, Howard M. Radzely, said in a letter Thursday that the old rules ceased to exist on Aug. 23 and the Obey-Miller amendment "will essentially serve only to prevent the department from using its enforcement resources to protect the overtime rights of any employee who earns $455 or more per week."

Obey disputed that conclusion, saying the administration has the legal authority to reimpose the old regulations within a day after the new rules are voided.

Congress has debated the overtime issue for more than a year, and last May the Senate, by a 52-47 vote on a different bill, approved language stating that no worker who currently qualifies for overtime should lose that eligibility.

"It just seems to me that the Labor Department, the White House and the Congress should not be complicit in the effort of employers to chisel workers of overtime pay," Obey said as debate on the amendment began Thursday.

The Obey-Miller language blocks all aspects of the rules except those that extend overtime to lower-paid workers.

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".....The Obey-Miller language blocks all aspects of the rules except those that extend overtime to lower-paid workers."

The Obey-Miller bill is a wonderful thing. I doubt it will pass, though.

Specializes in ICU.

Check the CE forum - the overtime bill has been defeated!!

Check the CE forum - the overtime bill has been defeated!!

Hallelujuh!!!!! :balloons: Thank God......and some wise congressmen and woman.

The word is out on CNN that if we can get a democrat in the white house for president in November, this new OT law won't last long and may be changed to allow us RN's to get OT again.

So I'm not telling people who to vote for, but please take this seriously, we work too hard not to get

overtime pay that we deserve!!

scooterRN52

My vote will be based on more than just Over Time issues.....there is more to life and our government than just OT and yourself.

Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.
My vote will be based on more than just Over Time issues.....there is more to life and our government than just OT and yourself.

True- however this particular thread is about this particular issue. And as for it being about "ourselves," you as a future nurse stand to lose more than we as current nurses with these changes. Whose contracts do you think are going to start showing these changes? The NEW nurses.

Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.

Also wanted to add that Congress has voted 5 times to stop these changes. Doesn't that say something to some of you??? And to those of you who say, "This isn't inportant," well your president thinks it's important enough to keep up his corporate pandering to threaten to veto this new legislation. HE'S NOT FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE- that means us, and most Americans. How is that not important?

If you would like to send Bush a message telling to stay out of your OT pay with his threatened veto, then go here: http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/otvictoryobey

Specializes in Research,Peds,Neuro,Psych,.

So when is the yanking of overtime going to start? A friend of mine who pulls overtime voluntarily in the PICU was just telling me today that they are still getting it..time and a half on top of shift differentials...over $50/hr for her.

Specializes in oncology, surgical stepdown, ACLS & OCN.
So when is the yanking of overtime going to start? A friend of mine who pulls overtime voluntarily in the PICU was just telling me today that they are still getting it..time and a half on top of shift differentials...over $50/hr for her.

I spoke w/ our nsg. supervisor at the hospital where I work about this OT law. She said that it has always been that way here in Phila. Pa., but employers have chosen not to execute it, because nurses would never work OT. According to her Pa. does not have to abide by that law, thank goodness!

If that were the case, it could lead to a serious shortage

Then you would see alot of nurses leaving the clinical area. That is one thing Hospitals here in the northeast can't afford. We are all getting OT when we work it. I work med-surg in an oncology hospital 7p to7a 12hr. shifts 3 days a week.

:) scooterRN52

Specializes in ICU, ED,.
So when is the yanking of overtime going to start? A friend of mine who pulls overtime voluntarily in the PICU was just telling me today that they are still getting it..time and a half on top of shift differentials...over $50/hr for her.
The regulations concerning OT have been changed to allow employeers the option of declaring some employees as 'Professionals'. This will make them ineligible for OT pay if the employeer so chooses. There hasn't been a law passed that forbids paying OT. An employeer can do nothing and continue paying OT. The regulation is ambiguous and open to wide interpretation, as many new regulations are. I suspect many employeers will sit back and wait to see what others do. I predict that eventually employeers, I hesitate to say just hospitals, will come up with different ways of compensating nurses that will slowly chip away at the traditional concept of time and one half for OT. The changes won't be suddenly thrust upon us. Employeers realize that would be too much to shove on us at once. The changes will be gradual. But if we allow them they will come. At the expense of sounding trite. We're the frogs sitting in the pot and the heat will be turned up slowly. As long as not to many of us jump they will continue to slowly increase the heat. I think a few examples have been mentioned. No CEO worth his or her salt would allow this money grabbing opportunity pass. Unfortunately medicine, at the corporate level at least, has become a money making business. No opportunity to increase profits will be overlooked.
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