New Graduate RN having preceptor commucation problems

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I started my "orientation" on my unit July 31st. I am now past 5 weeks of solid orientation and taking responsibility for a 4 pt team on my own. In the beginning of my orientation my preceptor and I got along great. When I would make a mistake or take too long on a task she would communicate with me and we would discuss how I could improve. Mind you, when I say make a mistake” I mean simple charting errors, such as going too fast or putting down the patient had 4/5 strength on the RLE when it should have been 3/5. I take heed in everything she teaches me because she is experienced, I am not, and this woman knows her stuff! I love being able to learn new methods, ideas, and different ways of doing nursing tasks and I listen to and absorb everything she says. This might seem long but I have to introduce the situation so I can hopefully get good advice.

About 4 days ago, everything seemed to go downhill. My preceptor used to wait for me to do my assessments and then she would do her own. She started interrupting the middle of my intial assessments with hers so I had to stop what I was doing to let her do hers (as the patient is looking even more confused because of this). There was a pt that was intermittently confused and forgetful. She was incontinent and taking Lasix so she was going quite frequently. We would change and clean the patient and 20 minutes later she would tell us that nobody had been in all day to change her and she was wet, we checked, she wasn't wet. Needless to say, this patient kept me busy the whole shift. Aside from everything else, I asked her on every round if she was in any pain. She stated in the morning she was in pain, I asked her where, she replied, I think my leg.” I asked her if it was a specific part of her leg, she said, No, actually, I am not in any pain.” This happened all day. The other patient I was assigned right next door was ordered neuro checks q2 hr. My preceptor had made me unchart one of my q2 neuro assessments because it was 1 min past the last time I charted on her. That was not a big deal because she explained the importance of charting to the T on time for the neuro checks because if something were to happen to the patient and my charting was late (or worse if I hadn't charted it yet) or if there was a chart audit I could get in big trouble for not being exactly on time with documentation. During my final round before night shift came in, I performed my last neuro check on one patient and walked into the other patient's room to see if she needed to be changed and to ask if she was in any pain. She stated she was not in any pain at that time. 15 minutes later, I come in to the room with the night nurse to do hand off report with my preceptor. My preceptor asked the pt if she was in any pain and she said, Yes I am In pain I could really use Tylenol.” After leaving the room, my preceptor told me chart your last neuro check and grab the tylenol and then we are all good to go for tonight!” I sat down and began charting the last neuro check (on time) and she walked up to me. She snapped at me and said, are you going to get the Tylenol? Are you just going to sit there and chart? Okay I guess ill go get the Tylenol and don't worry about charting ill finish that too you can just leave.” She stormed off, the nurses around me were just staring at me with their jaws dropped. I don't even want to know what they were thinking about me.

I was done charting before the med room door closed behind my preceptor, she never gave me a chance to speak or get a word out. That night, I tried sending her a message asking if she could communicate with me better about what I am doing wrong. I apologized if I made her angry for any reason that night and that I really wanted to be able to talk about where she thinks I am lacking or what I need to do to improve. I never got a response. She never spoke about it the next morning on our next shift. The next day was better, I was able to call rapid response on a patient that I noticed was deteriorating and I was proud of myself (as a new nurse) to be able to accomplish that on my 4th week. The only thing that happened during that shift was when I was putting in an order I had just received from a doctor. My preceptor walks up to me and says we just received stat labs lets go. I said ok and went to sign the order and close out the chart It took a matter of 5 seconds.. She again, snapped, and yelled stat labs” over and over quickly about 5 times. I was already up out of the chair by the 4th repeat. She explained to me, stat labs are important they need to be done immediately, hence the stat” part. And again, I completely understand that aspect, I told her that I was signing the order so that if I was logged out of the system the order wouldn't be saved. She didn't reply. Finally our 3rd shift, crazy, chaotic, but ended GREAT. We had a mass amount of orders coming in for 3 patients and she even said shes never had so many new orders in one day. One doctor that had rounded told me his plan, what he was ordering, etc. I went to write it down and repeat it back to him. He said oh no Ill put it in the chart I am already here. I asked him if he wanted me to put any orders in at all, he replied to D/C a medication. I repeated back what he asked me to do and I did it. He ended up putting a fluid restriction in for my patient, I grabbed a sign to hang outside the door that stated Fluid Restriction 1500mL for 24hrs”. Another patient I had called a doc for to get parameters for her BP medication. My preceptor had shown me a few times how to put orders in already so I had a good idea of how to put the orders in. I started writing in down the in paper chart and she said no you have to do it this way on the computer for something like that. So I did what she said and put it in the computer as she instructed to do so. At the end of the shift, we pulled out all the charts we put orders into and I asked her if everything I had done was correct and included. She said yes.

The next night on my day off. I get a call from the hospital and texts from my preceptor. I called the unit back and they said the doc never put in the fluid restriction and the BP parameters weren't ordered. I gave the nurse authorization to put down my name with hers to cosign the orders that never made it in. My preceptor is texting me telling me I messed up bad and it looks bad if work is calling me on my day off to verify something I was supposed to do and said I did. I apologized and said there is no excuse for this from me and that I thought we had gone over all the orders with a fine tooth comb before we left that night. I felt so discouraged and useless that I messed up. I thought I had done everything as she told me to. I thought when I asked her to double check that our mass amount of orders were put in correctly that she had actually checked them as she stated she did. My nurse educator called me the next day. She was telling me she was concerned because of all the errors my preceptor told her I was making. She twisted around what actually happened to a big heaping mess. My preceptor told my educator I blatantly ignored her when she asked me to get Tylenol because I was charting. She didn't mention that she asked me to chart the neuro assessment first and the stress she put on the neuro assessments. She also told her I don't do my assessments or charting correctly after mentioning and explaining it to me. She told the educator she had to ask me 6 different times to do stat labs, when she repeated stat labs” over and over quickly multiple times in about 5 seconds, because I was charting (not putting in orders). Lastly, she told my educator that I forgot to put in a fluid restriction that a doctor told me to order, when the doctor said he was doing it himself and I put in BP parameters incorrectly.

Yes, I made a mistake. I should have checked and verified the doctor that said he would put orders in to make sure. I should have given the Tylenol first because pain is more important than charting. I was doing what she told me to so everything went smoothly. My educator told me that I am to follow what my preceptor says and does, assessments included, I am not to develop my own technique until I am on the floor alone. But what if what she does doesn't work for me? I thought this training time was to learn from my preceptor and build upon a routine that will work for me when im on my own. She won't communicate with me, she does not tell me what she thinks I can improve upon, instead she directly takes it to my educator as to where I don't have a chance to fix any deficits. I have gotten great evaluations since I started and now this one weekend has put it all down the drain. I am hoping to talk to her on my next shift and try to work out these problems. If not, I hope I can get another preceptor who can communicate appropriately with me. I have never felt so embarrassed in regards to having stories exaggerated to my educator to make me seem careless. I dont want to risk losing the only job i have ever dreamed of having. I have never felt so defeated.

I just want to give you a big hug!

I'm on vacation while my orientee is left to fend for herself with a sub this week and I've heard horror stories. Some nurses were not meant to be

Let her know that you want to be better, but that because you are a brand new nurse, you are very task oriented and are attempting to get everything she says done efficiently, so it may help if she explains her reasoning for doing one thing before another. This is something I try to do with new grads. If that doesn't work, I do hope that you are able to get a new preceptor.

Hang in there! Your nurse educator wants you to pass orientation and feel good on the floor - extending orientation or having you feel bad coming off of it isn't good for anyone. Don't be afraid to share your side of the story with her as well, especially if another situation like this occurs and you feel like you are being misrepresented.

It sounds like you are an awesome preceptor. Especially if you are on vacation and are feeling relatively protective of your orientee. I will ask if she can explain more to me where I might obtain a better understanding of how and why she wants things completed in a specific fashion.

I did talk to my educator on the phone and have a meeting with her on Friday to elaborate the concerns that were brought up. She asked me about getting another preceptor but I told her I wanted to try to work it out with mine because of how purely brilliant she is. I want to learn from her because out of everyone on the unit, I feel she has the most to offer.

I hope you enjoy your vacation and pray your preceptee is getting along ok for now with her sub. :)

It makes me feel better that this happens to a lot of people where some preceptors just don't have a good matching personality fit I suppose. I just wish I could go off my gut instincts in some cases but that would then turn into me being insubordinate somehow. She is very fast paced and I like that aspect but there are times when I need her to slow down and utilize some patience as I am new and do not know everything she does.

I'm just worried now because the way it was worded to my educator makes me 5 weeks in look bad, especially since my previous evaluations were great. I just don't want her to jeopardize my job and learning opportunities. This is the time I need to absorb knowledge and know how the most.

I understand not wanting to feel like an insubordinate, but there are times you need to seek help from other more experienced nurses. Patient safety and care are the ultimate goals in our daily routines and if it's being sacrificed because of fear... That's just unacceptable.

I also had sought guidance from my manager and was told to "wait it out.." But fortunately, it started to become more evident to my colleagues that I wasn't getting what I needed and they stood up for me. I only have a few weeks left on my day shift with her so I'm determined to do what's necessary to make it until that time and continue to do what I need to for my career and my patients.

I know it seems like you'll encounter backlash and I was really afraid of that too in the beginning, but sometimes it's worth it not to regret and push down your own gut instinct. Lack of confidence in this profession can make or break a new nurse and is soul-crushing.

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One little thing that jumped out: You were offering to write down verbal orders when the doctor was right there. And you were probably not wrong to do so, if your hospital doesn't have a policy against that.

The last hospital I worked in had a policy that nurses could only write down telephone orders, not verbal ones. If the doctor was on the premises, he/she had the responsibility to write those orders, not verbally dictate them to a nurse. Just one less chance of error in the transcription chain, for the exact reason as the experience you described.

Just letting you know so you don't fault yourself for an old problem that other hospitals have since fixed.

One little thing that jumped out: You were offering to write down verbal orders when the doctor was right there. And you were probably not wrong to do so, if your hospital doesn't have a policy against that.

The last hospital I worked in had a policy that nurses could only write down telephone orders, not verbal ones. If the doctor was on the premises, he/she had the responsibility to write those orders, not verbally dictate them to a nurse. Just one less chance of error in the transcription chain, for the exact reason as the experience you described.

Just letting you know so you don't fault yourself for an old problem that other hospitals have since fixed.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any policy such as that at my job. Some doctors will tell us verbal orders to put in others will do it themselves when they are there. I agree with Implementing that policy could reduce serious errors.

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I appreciate your insight. I do my best to seek out what I am doing wrong or what I can do better. Like i said, this woman is brilliant and I know I can and HAVE learned so much from her already. That is why I do not want to get a new preceptor necessarily, I would like to work beyond our communicating differences and continue to work together.

One thing I did not realize till now is the idea that I am getting more comfortable on my own, I do not consciously see that I do not include her in my daily details, I feel that I keep her informed very well. But this could potentially be the underlying issue. I will be sure to ask her about that when I see her next. I want to get through this last month, but I also want to gain a mentor in the end. I do not want to have this orientation end on a bad note because she is the kind of person who would be an amazing resource and friend to have after I am done training.

Thank you very much for your thoughts, they have helped tremendously.

People like your preceptor do not know how to cope when their world is falling apart. They over react to every little thing. Work might be her refuge. I would be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt and let it go this time.

You sound mature and capable. These misunderstandings will happen over and over in your career. There is no fantasy island perfect hospital. Your people skills and ability to handle and prevent conflict in a confidential manner will not go unnoticed.

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I agree with TriciaJ, with a CPOE system the Dr. is responsible for entering his own orders, especially when he specifically told you that he would be doing so. Nurses entering orders for the Dr. is a courtesy that often gets abused, especially when enabled by nurses, and administration. My concern is how your preceptor threw you under the bus. The two of you had reviewed the orders before going off shift. When she was contacted by the hospital she should have stood up for you explaining all of that. It may have been that while writing his progress notes the Dr. changed his mind, we aren't mind readers. Feed her some chocolate, or wine .... it may help according to this chart.

Cheers

I agree with TriciaJ, with a CPOE system the Dr. is responsible for entering his own orders, especially when he specifically told you that he would be doing so. Nurses entering orders for the Dr. is a courtesy that often gets abused, especially when enabled by nurses, and administration. My concern is how your preceptor threw you under the bus. The two of you had reviewed the orders before going off shift. When she was contacted by the hospital she should have stood up for you explaining all of that. It may have been that while writing his progress notes the Dr. changed his mind, we aren't mind readers. Feed her some chocolate, or wine .... it may help according to this chart.

Cheers

That really just made my day! Lol

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I haven't had a chance to read all of the other responses. So forgive me if this is a repeat.

I feel for you. I had a preceptor once who snapped at me and was all over me about new orders and obviously frustrated with me not working fast enough. She was SuperNurse and I just couldn't keep up in the beginning. I was completely drowning. She was good at checking my work though and she didn't go to my educator with things. I ended up learning a lot from her, but at the expense of my emotional well-being. It was not a good time. I was so unhappy and depressed.

I have since moved on to be with other preceptors in other units who were more patient. But I never really did get over those first few weeks yet. I felt so stupid and demoralized every single shift. Thing is, I know my first preceptor never meant to do that to me. Now that I'm off orientation, when I see her and we talk, I actually really like her. Point being, sometimes preceptors get overwhelmed themselves and then don't cope well. It sucks when that happens. She was learning too.

I hope things get better and you can communicate effectively. Hang in there. I'm really just giving you a little support and telling you that your experience is not singular. Best wishes as you move on. From what you write, you seem like you are honestly giving your all and trying your best. Keep going and try not to let the difficult days get to you.

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I'm exhausted after reading that, and you make me want to quit nursing. sounds like a major mind game going on. good luck with that. :wideyed:

You've gotten plenty of emotional support, so here's some practical advice.

Stop letting her treat you this way. It is wrong.

Her conflicting demands on you have you second guessing yourself.

First, try to talk to her. She should be meeting with you regularly to evaluate you, so use these meetings to your advantage. If she isn't receptive, request a meeting between her, your educator, and your manager.

Approach the meeting from a problem-solving perspective, not from a preceptor-bashing perspective. It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, but you need to take an emotional step back. I'm not saying you are bashing your preceptor, but be careful how you word things to your educator and manager. They already know your preceptor and are more likely to be on her side.

Second, you need to stop your preceptor as soon as she does something confusing like tell you to chart first and then yell at you for not getting the Tylenol first. Calmly state that you are doing exactly what she told you to do and that she needs to specify what priorities she wants you to follow so that you can do the right thing.

The last thing you should do is duck your head and let it slide until you can talk about it later, because it will be blown up into a major incident in her head by that point.

This is not your fault. It's a combination of preceptor frustration and new-grad inability to bring it all together yet.

Just don't buy into the drama, keep calm/cool/collected, and stick to your guns about the treatment you will accept from her.

You will be fine.

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