Need some advice on how to start an IV on pt with severe edema

RNsRNotOut · Nov 15, 2011

Hi. Practice and more practice will help you get the "feel" of what your looking for and more importantly what you are feeling for. Swabbing the area alcohol will help the vein become more visible. If the patient has pitting edema you can press firmly on the area and "push" the fluid away and the vein will become more visible. This is what helps me the most. And knowing where veins typically are or should be will help you direct your focus. Practice practice practice though.

socalmedic · Nov 15, 2011

larger people are usualy harder to find veins on, look in the joints where veins are more superficial (ie. AC, wrist, anterior shoulder, popliteal, ankle). as for the edema try to press all the fluid out of the area so that you can see the veins. get a flashlight and shine it through the hand to illuminate the veins, be careful though some lights will be hot. lastly, and only if all else fails, go fishing there is a vein there somewhere.

if this is an emergency and they need IV access now call the doc to get an IO or picc.

Freedom42 · Nov 15, 2011

The lower the albumin level, the tougher the stick. My supervisor gave me a good tip: Use two tourniquets, one in the usual place, the other about three inches above that. Works well with hands to really concentrate blood in a small area. You might also have a colleague pull back the skin and hold it taught. When all else fails, I look along the ring finger, along the feet, and between the armpit and breast.

bulletproofbarb · Nov 15, 2011

bp cuff pumped up to 60mmhg also helps. use it upside down so the bulb does not get in the way!

ObtundedRN, BSN, RN · Nov 15, 2011

Using. Strong penlight works well for them. You shine in into the skin and the vein will be darker. With all the fluid, the light passes through easily. You can shine it from the underside of the hand. Or just directly down into the skin where you're looking. Be a mentioned above, becareful of the heat from some penlights. LEDs are cool, but a halogen bulb is going to get very hot.

Munch · Nov 15, 2011

When I had my 10 day stint in the hospital I used to work at my roommate who was great and friendly and we remain friends to this day was on the heavier side and was a REALLY REALLY tough stick. 5 different nurses at different times came to try but no dice. Then the PA came in and tried and again...no dice. Finally they had to call the house doctor to put the IV in and he finally got it....after an hour. Some people are just hard sticks. This girl who I was in the ER overflow with who was skinny(but not TOO skinny) was a tough stick too. NO ONE and I mean NO one could get an IV in her...not even doctors(no track marks or anything like that). They tried putting a picc line in and that didn't work so finally they had to put a port-a-cath in her.

Freedom42 · Nov 15, 2011

It's true, some people are nearly impossible. But I'll say this, as one of my patients recently pointed out: My charge nurse could start an IV on a dead man. She's that good. I have never seen her miss.

When I started, she told me to find a man with muscular forearms and study his vasculature so that I could understand where to palpate. She's right. That's better than looking at any text book.

FlyingScot, RN · Nov 15, 2011

Why didn't they just Alteplase her port?

tokmom, BSN, RN · Nov 15, 2011

It's true, some people are nearly impossible. But I'll say this, as one of my patients recently pointed out: My charge nurse could start an IV on a dead man. She's that good. I have never seen her miss.
When I started, she told me to find a man with muscular forearms and study his vasculature so that I could understand where to palpate. She's right. That's better than looking at any text book.

I agree on that one, but do I just have to stop at the veins?

vanburbian · Nov 15, 2011

It's true, some people are nearly impossible. But I'll say this, as one of my patients recently pointed out: My charge nurse could start an IV on a dead man. She's that good. I have never seen her miss.
When I started, she told me to find a man with muscular forearms and study his vasculature so that I could understand where to palpate. She's right. That's better than looking at any text book.

Exactly why I have a file on my laptop with pics of shirtless men-i.e David Beckham, etc., though this pic of Angelina Jolie is educational as well.

http://thesuperficial.com/2007/01/12/angelina-jolie-veins.jpg

Wave Watcher · Nov 15, 2011

I agree on that one, but do I just have to stop at the veins?

Sweetie, the veins will take you anywhere you want to go. :yeah: