Published Sep 22, 2015
San Diego RN BSN
39 Posts
After inserting a iv in a vein in between a patients knuckles with a 24 gauge catheter I asked another nurse to help me secure it and she said it wasn't good because there was no backflow...
EricaAngela90
37 Posts
Did you get a flash of blood at all? With the young ones in picu I don't always get this great flow of blood when I put it in as you would with patients who have juicy veins and a good amount of time especially with a 24 I get no blood return when pulling back. However, if it flushes perfectly without any issues and it's on a hard stick patient, I'm going to keep it.
I got a flash after insertion then advanced it gently... I felt the same way... Very hard stick elderly lady... I flushed it 2-3 times to be sure... I also seen a comment that smaller veins don't have backflow...
AcuteHD
458 Posts
IV's and HD fistulas may be too different to compare, but there are some pts that have great fistulas but never get a flashback. Great flow, but just no initial flashback, not even a hint. Very disconcerting.
RainMom
1,117 Posts
Sometimes if I'm unsure (especially with someone who immediately bruises & I think I may have blown the vein) I'll feel just above the insertion site & can feel the fluid as it flushes thru the vein.
Oh'Ello, BSN, RN
226 Posts
Where I work we cannot give vesicant drugs through any IV access that does not have blood return. Non vessies... whatever. Maybe your co-worker had the patient's future drugs in mind?
iluvivt, BSN, RN
2,774 Posts
It does not happen very often but yes I have started IVs that I did not initially get a flashback or ever get a flashback. It is prudent to make certain it is a good IV . Hook up a flush and see how it flushes and make certain it is not infiltrating. If it flushes,now attempt to pull back a bit and see if you get a blood return as a venous spasm may have occurred and now the vein has had a bit of time to relax you may now see a blood return. I can place several fingers gently along the course of the vein and can actually feel the flush along the course of the vein!
You may have an IV in the ACF area that flushes and is NOT in the vein so you must be careful in this region. So I do prefer to see some blood in the flashback chamber and if you feel that your are in the vein just wait a bit before you you shield your needle or pull it out . sometimes the vein will spasm when the needle punctures it and it needs to relax before blood will fill the flashback chamber.
How strong can that spasm be: strong enough to hold onto a PICC line so you cannot advance it into the vein!