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I did not agree with my first evaluation for HPRP so I opted to do a second opinion with an addictionist..the eval went well and the Dr had said he didn’t see a reason for further monitoring... what are the chances of HPRP listening to the second evaluation????

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AbbeyR has 21 years experience as a ADN, BSN.

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Did you voluntarily go or did the BON send you?

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KatEverly is a BSN and specializes in ABSN Grad w/ previous BA in Psych.

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I would say with a lawyer you have a fighting chance. Without a lawyer, I wouldn't feel very confident.

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2 hours ago, AbbeyR said:

Did you voluntarily go or did the BON send you?

I self reported last year for a dui through a lawyer.. was contacted by HPRP the end of this January. So I did not agree with the first evaluation and frankly it was a mess of an experience. So I requested the second evaluation.

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1 hour ago, KatEverly said:

I would say with a lawyer you have a fighting chance. Without a lawyer, I wouldn't feel very confident.

So you think even though it is typically the addictionists that guide the treatment plan, they don’t typically follow their recommendations? I have been trying to contact many law firms however with the current state of things no one is responding.

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AbbeyR has 21 years experience as a ADN, BSN.

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By self reporting you are admitting you have a problem. Getting a lawyer to see if they could work out the terms of your contract would be helpful.
have you had any delays with evaluations or testing since this COVID outbreak?
I wish you the best. Hopefully you are still working

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Yeah get a lawyer. I self reported my dui not because I thought I had a drinking problem but because I thought it was my duty as a professional. I’m pretty sure if I had talked to a lawyer first I would have missed this last 3+ year journey through this hideous program. Lawyer up and fight!

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I reported the dui per my lawyers instructions last year.. took a year for the board to refer to hprp. Was told that if assessment came back with no diagnosis that case would be discharged. I am just curious if anyone has actually been discharged without an agreement, as I would think if there is no diagnosis there would be nothing to monitor. However, obviously this is all Greek to me and I am trying to navigate as I go. I have talked to a couple of lawyers but it was before the outbreak. So now that everything has virtually stopped ( except for hprp process) I can not get in touch with a lawyer.

4 hours ago, AbbeyR said:

By self reporting you are admitting you have a problem. Getting a lawyer to see if they could work out the terms of your contract would be helpful.
have you had any delays with evaluations or testing since this COVID outbreak?
I wish you the best. Hopefully you are still working

To clarify I reported my conviction to the board of nursing. I never reported anything to HPRP.

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KatEverly is a BSN and specializes in ABSN Grad w/ previous BA in Psych.

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I think your last post was helpful to us readers.

So, you reported the DUI to your BON per your lawyers instruction and terms of licensure, and the BON referred you to HPRP for evaluation. So, in the context of HPRP and state monitored programs in general, that would not be considered self reporting (to HPRP).

I could be wrong here, as someone with limited experience but having done a lottt if research, that when you are referred to HPRP by the board, if you are “offered” (forced into) a monitoring agreement, that would be considered regulatory, so the action/discipline could be seen on your license. Mind you, it’s not even remotely private even for people who do self report and get non-regulatory monitoring agreements, it’s just different.

The problem with HPRP, and all of these programs from what I’ve heard, is that if they feel they have any even remote ground for dragging you into a contract, they will. Because these are the money hungriest programs you’ve ever imagined. It is possible, depending on the wording of the doctor and whether or not HPRP actually sanctioned/referred you to this person, that they might not be able to wrangle you into monitoring.

Most importantly, I would not sign a monitoring agreement if they offer you one without consulting with an attorney. I know they are difficult to get ahold of now but I’d knock on their office door personally if you had to in order to get a response if it comes down to signing something. They can either get you out of monitoring with the 2nd opinion or negotiate better contract terms.

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23 hours ago, MiRN07 said:

I did not agree with my first evaluation for HPRP so I opted to do a second opinion with an addictionist..the eval went well and the Dr had said he didn’t see a reason for further monitoring... what are the chances of HPRP listening to the second evaluation????

I would hope they would listed, but hope can be fleeting! That being said, was the the 2nd evaluation done by one of their approved doctors? If so, I would think they would take that into consideration. Did the 1st doctor say you needed monitoring?

I am in a different state and situation. I am an alcoholic in recovery, but I see a lot of people on these forums who had one DUI, etc, and probably should not be in the programs. It sounds like you are one of them.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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It was a MD that HPRP provided from a list of 3 choices. The initial assessment was done by a LMSW not a MD.

The LMSW assessment was a mess she had to call HPRP during my assessment from my cell phone as she didn’t have her own drug screen forms so she didn’t know what to do, then she also had to call back because she didn’t know what kind. My dad was in the waiting room so could hear everything so she violated HIPAA... that’s just the beginning of the nightmare that was my first assessment. Not to mention I got her report back and she flat out lied in it and said I said things that I never did. It is so frustrating that people who are supposed to have integrity can make things up and it just becomes “truth.” If I am forced to sign an agreement it will be taking 3 years of my life away not to mention what it will do to me mentally. I am not an alcoholic, I am sure these types of programs are great alternatives for those who do have a problem and want help. But for those who don’t have a problem, it is just a traumatic, anxiety inducing, horrible experience. I feel like it doesn’t matter what the truth is they will make up what they want too in order to get what they want. Which is money. It has made me rethink my career choice which has made me feel every more guilty especially in a time like this when my service is needed more than ever. Needless to say after having the second assessment I had new found hope that I might have a chance.. but I also just feel targeted and I am not sure if that is just how everyone feels so along with that...


Does anyone have recommendations for a lawyer? Like I said I have reached out to many and haven’t gotten responses or got the sorry we can only help as part of your dui case. And yes I have already reached out to the firm that has the class action out numerous times and have yet to hear back. So any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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1 hour ago, MiRN07 said:

It was a MD that HPRP provided from a list of 3 choices. The initial assessment was done by a LMSW not a MD.

The LMSW assessment was a mess she had to call HPRP during my assessment from my cell phone as she didn’t have her own drug screen forms so she didn’t know what to do, then she also had to call back because she didn’t know what kind. My dad was in the waiting room so could hear everything so she violated HIPAA... that’s just the beginning of the nightmare that was my first assessment. Not to mention I got her report back and she flat out lied in it and said I said things that I never did. It is so frustrating that people who are supposed to have integrity can make things up and it just becomes “truth.” If I am forced to sign an agreement it will be taking 3 years of my life away not to mention what it will do to me mentally. I am not an alcoholic, I am sure these types of programs are great alternatives for those who do have a problem and want help. But for those who don’t have a problem, it is just a traumatic, anxiety inducing, horrible experience. I feel like it doesn’t matter what the truth is they will make up what they want too in order to get what they want. Which is money. It has made me rethink my career choice which has made me feel every more guilty especially in a time like this when my service is needed more than ever. Needless to say after having the second assessment I had new found hope that I might have a chance.. but I also just feel targeted and I am not sure if that is just how everyone feels so along with that...


Does anyone have recommendations for a lawyer? Like I said I have reached out to many and haven’t gotten responses or got the sorry we can only help as part of your dui case. And yes I have already reached out to the firm that has the class action out numerous times and have yet to hear back. So any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

This might get deleted and I can’t DM you until you have more post and replies. call Chapman Group Law in Troy, MI. They are the firm that brought the class action lawsuit against HPRP. All they do is represent Medical professions. HPRP is notorious for lying.

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