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My Question Is ,if You 're A Nclex Passer,you Become An Lpn In Alberta Without Taking Lpn Exam?

When I told her about needing to write the LPN exam, she said and her exact words were, ``Yeah, some of the non- NCLEX passers will do that, but for us NCLEX passers, the agency was able to bypass the exam.`` I am not posting this to encourage NCLEX passers from the Philippines to do the same. I fact I am very opposed to that idea.

She is coming this month and even work in an ICU as an LPN... imagine that.. I can definitely attest she is not one of those so-called-nurses! BUT, like the others who are just buying some time until their application to US moves, they should not go here... They do not intend to stay, go through all the complexities and write the exam... not fair...

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Capital Health in Edmonton does not have LPNs in the ICU. Currently they are only working ICU in Calgary.

Trust me, if positions had been posted in CH ICU there are plenty of experienced cardiology, trauma, and surgical PNs who would move over there.

From what we have heard these "nurses" are coming to work as nursing assistants until they are able to write the exams required. If they do not pass they will be going home. We've experienced a couple of nurses from the Phillipines lately who are waiting to write the exam, and let's just say we are not impressed by their education, attitude, or work ethic. Reluctant to answer call bells, basic skills are lacking, and time management skills have been non-existant, and very quick to pass the buck for their mistakes.

CPNRE is not like the nclex where you get multiple tries. A PN who doesn't pass on her third try is required to return to college for remedial education and is NOT granted any further attempts to obtain one.

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Well, she will be coming here this month and I just do not know now what will happen to her... That's what she said to me so there...Good luck to her then..

My aunt who is also a Filipino has been an RN here for the past 30 years.. no complaints whatsoever from her employers...

To each is own... I am sure that your problems with that couple of nurses would be addressed, not to be a cause of stereotype for the rest of us with good ethics and efficient nursing skills.

I shall advise my friend about that. If she does not want to be deported, by working as an LPN without a license, then she should better not go here anymore...

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If you read enough of these threads there is an air about many of the nurses coming from the Phillipines that they are doing Canadian healthcare a great favour by coming here to work. We are reading things like "we nurses are the greatest", "our country is the land of nurses", "I'm only staying until I can go to California".

I have no doubt that YOUR aunt is a great nurse. Just the recent arrivals seem to be set to spoil it for the good ones.

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Yeah, I really do not agree with those fellow citizens. Some really are capable and will ensure quality and safe care wherever they may be. Some are just here to... well, as they said, use Canada as "stepping stone".

Regarding the new nurses you say, sad, but I really do hope your frustration with the new ones you currently know will not off set how you will view the other new ones. As not all Philippine nurses are trained and educated that way. And I am sure many of us out there will agree with me...

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When I told her about needing to write the LPN exam, she said and her exact words were, ``Yeah, some of the non- NCLEX passers will do that, but for us NCLEX passers, the agency was able to bypass the exam.`` I am not posting this to encourage NCLEX passers from the Philippines to do the same. I fact I am very opposed to that idea.

She is coming this month and even work in an ICU as an LPN... imagine that.. I can definitely attest she is not one of those so-called-nurses! BUT, like the others who are just buying some time until their application to US moves, they should not go here... They do not intend to stay, go through all the complexities and write the exam... not fair...

All I can say to your friend is that she will be severely disappointed and not able to work when she comes. I am a Canadian citizen (born in Canada) who studied in the US and getting a license (called registration in Canada) was not an easy task even as a Canadian citizen. I too was an NCLEX passer and that makes NO DIFFERENCE at all!!!! You must have a license. Things may have changed since then since it was 2004 when I graduated but I was not even actively pursued by employers even with a valid temporary license while waiting to write my exam until I actually had passed and then calls were much more forthcoming. And working in the ICU as an LPN I find that incredibly hard to believe. That is just not the case. Alberta may be a bit different than BC but in BC they were still at that time a little hesitant to hire LPN's on acute med/surg floors as the RN's were not happy about the LPN's getting the easier assignments.

I continued with my education (and still to this day studying for my RN to BSN) but am working as an RN in the US. I am still interested in getting my RN in Canada and it is NOT EASY and nothing to "be pulled off" even as a Canadian citizen so why would they make it easier for someone from a foreign country. In BC they do not even recognize work experience from the US since employers in the US do not want to give a reference due to liability reasons. In order to get registered as an RN in BC I would have to perform 250 hours of clinical experience with a Canadian employer "NO EXCEPTIONS" so to think that the regulations in Canada are not strict in matters such as these is incredibly inaccurate. The public must be protected by having only licensed nurses that are regulated by each individual college of nursing and so it should be. Please do not be fooled by agencies who are profiting from such misinformation.

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Capital Health in Edmonton does not have LPNs in the ICU. Currently they are only working ICU in Calgary.

Trust me, if positions had been posted in CH ICU there are plenty of experienced cardiology, trauma, and surgical PNs who would move over there.

From what we have heard these "nurses" are coming to work as nursing assistants until they are able to write the exams required. If they do not pass they will be going home. We've experienced a couple of nurses from the Phillipines lately who are waiting to write the exam, and let's just say we are not impressed by their education, attitude, or work ethic. Reluctant to answer call bells, basic skills are lacking, and time management skills have been non-existant, and very quick to pass the buck for their mistakes.

CPNRE is not like the nclex where you get multiple tries. A PN who doesn't pass on her third try is required to return to college for remedial education and is NOT granted any further attempts to obtain one.

I agree with your post but to be fair I have taken the NCLEX PN and the CPNRE in Canada and my experience was the same. In Washington state you also only get 3 tries on NCLEX and both exams were equally challenging but in different ways. In some ways I found the Canadian exam harder just because it was a long all day exam where in the US mine shut off after the minimum 85 questions and I was able to get my results in 2 days but I don't think it is right to say that the standards in the US are easier.

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But if you read the LPN forum here, there are people across the US who are attempting the NCLEX for their fourth and fifth times. Posts about multiple attempts are quite common.

I've worked in both AB and BC and found BC to have a very restrictive attitude towards utilization of PNs. The majority of my experience has been in acute care but was constantly told that I couldn't work in those area because it was "an RNs job". Also, the education of PNs in Alberta goes to a different level than the education in BC. Our training has always been a minimum of four semesters and included areas that PNs moving to AB from BC have been found to be lacking. We are trained to the maxiumum level that we can legally be trained to.

The CPNRE is written so that the minimum level of PN education can write it. The system of eduation has varied widely across the country and it's only since 2005 that attempts are being made to create a national level of training.

Having said that, I've heard that health authorities in BC are becoming more welcoming to PNs and our skills. I remember one LPN who moved to a small town hospital in BC. She had worked on a trauma unit in the busiest hospitals in AB. She wasn't allowed to do meds, assess patients, basically they utilized an experienced trauma nurse as a care aide. PNs who are dialysis nurses in AB aren't allowed to work in that field in BC. Silly but true.

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But if you read the LPN forum here, there are people across the US who are attempting the NCLEX for their fourth and fifth times. Posts about multiple attempts are quite common.

Very true -- but remember, we have 50 states, and each state sets its own standards/requirements. Some states allow multiple, unlimited repeats; some states set a limit on attempts and after that you must pursue some kind of remediation before trying again, etc. Confusing, I know! :) If it were up to me, I would set a much stricter standard, as you have in Canada. Shoot, taking the NCLEX is getting to be like playing the lottery -- if you take it enough times, eventually you're going to get lucky and pass ... :rolleyes:

Just out of curiosity, though, I was puzzled/confused by your statement, "A PN who doesn't pass on her third try is required to return to college for remedial education and is NOT granted any further attempts to obtain one." If you don't get any further attempts after the third, what is the point of requiring remediation?

I agree with you about the very entitled attitude of some (not all!) Filipino nurses and students who post here, who seem to feel they are doing the rest of us a big favor by coming to our countries. A surprising number also seem to feel that it's somehow unfair that they should have to abide by the immigration rules and policies of our countries, and are very open about how they're looking for a way to "get around" the laws and regulations. Very annoying!

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Sorry, what I mean is three tries and your out. You are only able to write CPNRE after successful, documented completion of the remedial education and are given a further three tries. The education isn't inexpensive.

To be honest, I've only met one nurse who failed it three times. She walked away from the profession. She was the exception to the rule. My nursing school has had a 100% pass rate for the last few years.

What amazes me is people openly post here about their intentions to use Canada as a stepping stone into the US and name the health authorities that have sponsored them. Do they not realize that the HR departments and nursing managers of these hospitals lurk here?

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What amazes me is people openly post here about their intentions to use Canada as a stepping stone into the US and name the health authorities that have sponsored them. Do they not realize that the HR departments and nursing managers of these hospitals lurk here?

As do personnel from the immigration departments ... Oh, well ... :rolleyes:

Thanks for answering my question. That makes more sense.

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thanks fiona and suzzane for the info,,,that's why i ask that question because there is one agency in the phils misinforming those nurses work as LPN without taking CPNRE in Alberta,,that ridiculous,,,,

That is ridiculous. One cannot work legally w/o the proper license or permission to do so. Best bet is they will prob. let their recruits do something else other than being an LPN. The set-up may be somewhere in the line on what was done with the teachers that were flown in to Virginia, USA. There is a thread in the Phil. forum about it.

Also, people who are on that agency or even those who just attended their seminars should report it to the Canadian Embassy.

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