In my last role as a school nurse there was a girl who, at the age of 11 told her parents she wanted to be a boy. So,, the parents did what they could and got help from various doctors and experts, and over the course of the next 3 years I got to know this student well, and regardless of what I thought on the matter, was able to support this student. The student knew I had a different perspective but we had a good working relationship and this student appreciated a different perspective eg I disagreed with the hormone blockers, chest compression brace and eventual male hormones.
Anyway, during this student's time here, 2 close female friends of the student decided they were trans as well. The thing is, I believed they were not trans. I knew both of them had serious family issues, including a family divorce, and had also gone through the gambit of self harm - from cutting, eating disorders etc. But the rest of the group of girls all agreed they were trans, and encouraged this.
At about the same time this was happening, Brown university came out with a study looking into ROGD (rapid onset gender dysphoria) which showed that the vast majority of the teens and young adults coming out as trans, were not actually trans. They cited various issues, including media pressure as well as underlying, unresolved psychological issues. Unfortunately, because this study was not 'affirming' of their transition, the study was withdrawn due to media pressure.
Anyway, regardless of my thoughts, these students were sent to the pediatric psychologist, who promptly refused to see them. I knew the psychologist very and and she confided in me that it's far too dangerous a minefield and she could easily lose her licence. She said that basically, any opinion that did not affirm someone as trans risked it all. A second pediatric psychologist I knew also refused to see them.
Anyway, the school decided to go along with one of the girl's requests to be called a boy. I was not happy to do this, but did ask my manager if the girl's parents were aware we were calling their daughter a boy. My manager said 'Yes' the parents were aware.
I was not convinced I was being told the truth, and about one week after being told the parents were aware, the headmaster had a talk with us in the health center, and told us that if we have any communication with the parents, not to call their daughter a boy or use her boy name ie we were told to lie to the parents.
I was not happy to do this, and quit. And now I'm in the middle of the Australian desert having new adventures.
That’s not the same thing at all. Supporting their exploration of identity by using the name and pronouns they choose is so benign and not equivalent to encouraging behavior that is harming their health. You are not being tasked with making treatment decisions like hormones or puberty blockers. Do you have a moral objection when students decide they want to go by a different nickname?
Honestly it’s probably a good thing that providers who have the attitude you describe don’t want to “treat” gender dysphoria. I’d worry it would essentially be conversion therapy; and puberty blockers are associated with improved mental health outcomes including decreased suicidal ideation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7073269/
No, you're wrong. You're also very judgmental of the psychologist who decline these patients. You're basically choosing to ignore the political agenda around trans issues, and as a result are causing more harm. Think about that for a moment - you are harming children.
2 hours ago, klone said:
Except that being transgender is not a mental illness, so your comparison is irrelevant and not analogous.
Yes, it is a mental illness, and in fact there is a doctor who has treated over 500 cases of gender dysphoria and had a 98% success rate of helping them accept their biological gender. But the world doesn't know about this because his work has been removed from as much media sources as possible, and his name turned to mud. I'll see if I can still track him down though, to send you the details.
Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
21 minutes ago, nursingaround1 said:
No, you're wrong. You're also very judgmental of the psychologist who decline these patients. You're basically choosing to ignore the political agenda around trans issues, and as a result are causing more harm. Think about that for a moment - you are harming children.
Yes, it is a mental illness, and in fact there is a doctor who has treated over 500 cases of gender dysphoria and had a 98% success rate of helping them accept their biological gender. But the world doesn't know about this because his work has been removed from as much media sources as possible, and his name turned to mud. I'll see if I can still track him down though, to send you the details.
No, transgender it is NOT considered a mental illness by any reputable source. It was last dropped by WHO from being called a mental disorder in 2019.
The “doctor” you are speaking of sounds a whole lot like conversion therapy which is horrific beyond description. And if you have to “track him down” then it’s probably not a reputable source. Much like the psychologist you said refused these students but chose to discuss their personal information with you which is not appropriate nor ethical.
Lastly, you are not the keeper of names, pronouns, and genders - it is not up to you nor is it appropriate in your former role to decide any of this.
No, transgender it is NOT considered a mental illness by any reputable source. It was last dropped by WHO from being called a mental disorder in 2019.
The “doctor” you are speaking of sounds a whole lot like conversion therapy which is horrific beyond description. And if you have to “track him down” then it’s probably not a reputable source. Much like the psychologist you said refused these students but chose to discuss their personal information with you which is not appropriate nor ethical.
Lastly, you are not the keeper of names, pronouns, and genders - it is not up to you nor is it appropriate in your former role to decide any of this.
You are indoctrinated and it's and any further time spent in dialogue with you is a waste of time. You are part of the problem. You are the reason we are at war. Yes, there is a war going on, and it's a war that is targeting our schools and our children, and you're on the wrong side and don't know it. There is no reconciliation with the insanity of the left because they actually believe they're morally right, and as such, condone any action to further their ends.
There is no reconciliation with the insanity of the left because they actually believe they're morally right, and as such, condone any action to further their ends.
Calling people "The Enemy", and "indoctrinated" isn't helpful. This discussion started out respectfully, but those labels don't contribute to civility, and invite others to start mudslinging.
When I saw that really strange little anecdote you told about women who think that being physically assaulted by their partner is proof that the partner loves the woman, I figured you’d come back here to stir the pot.
I chose to ignore that part of the post when I replied to you in the other thread because I’m not interested in having that particular conversation.
I suspect you always knew that there was only one direction that topic could go on a probably ~90% (?) female forum.
As I said, pot stirring.
2 hours ago, nursingaround1 said:
You are indoctrinated and it's and any further time spent in dialogue with you is a waste of time.
2 hours ago, nursingaround1 said:
You are the reason we are at war.
2 hours ago, nursingaround1 said:
You are the enemy.
3 hours ago, nursingaround1 said:
Think about that for a moment - you are harming children.
Yes, it is a mental illness, and in fact there is a doctor who has treated over 500 cases of gender dysphoria and had a 98% success rate of helping them accept their biological gender. Buttheworlddoesn'tknowaboutthisbecausehisworkhasbeenremovedfromasmuchmediasourcesaspossible, andhisnameturnedtomud. I'll see if I can still track him down though, to send you the details.
Exactly who do you think it is that polices the media and search engines like PubMed and removes ”disagreeable” medical research? Honestly, you sound like a person who’s wandered off deep into conspiracy theory land when you say that a doctor’s work has been ”removed”? I’m assuming because some powerful entity doesn’t want his allegedly very successful work made available to the general public and/or medical community?
The more logical conclusion is that the reason that you’re having trouble locating a credible source for this 98% ”success story”, is that the so far purely anecdotal information is flawed in some way. Ethically, medically, scientifically, or perhaps all of the above.
The psychiatric industry is totally politicized and beholden to liberal social agendas entirely. Many people don't trust a thing they say, their DSM seems to change to line up with the latest societal trends. There's a lot of pseudo-intellectualism in academia these days, with psychiatry leading the way.
The DSM does not change that often. Psychiatrists, and the DSM-5, have gender dysphoria, as a diagnosis. I see liberals hating that diagnosis and wanting to ignore it.
No, transgender it is NOT considered a mental illness by any reputable source. It was last dropped by WHO from being called a mental disorder in 2019.
The “doctor” you are speaking of sounds a whole lot like conversion therapy which is horrific beyond description. And if you have to “track him down” then it’s probably not a reputable source. Much like the psychologist you said refused these students but chose to discuss their personal information with you which is not appropriate nor ethical.
Lastly, you are not the keeper of names, pronouns, and genders - it is not up to you nor is it appropriate in your former role to decide any of this.
Hmm, The American Psychiatric Association, and the DSM-5, consider transgender to be a mental illness. It is called Gender Dysphoria. We do not use what the world health organization believes as criteria for the diagnosis of mental illnesses in this country. The APA is the most reputable source!
The DSM does not change that often. Psychiatrists, and the DSM-5, have gender dysphoria, as a diagnosis. I see liberals hating that diagnosis and wanting to ignore it.
I predict that it will change next time.
As I mentioned above, I believe it is a physical problem that is often induced externally from endocrine disrupting substances that we eat, and particularly those that are used on the skin.
Hormones are powerful chemicals in the body that influence our brains.
Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
13 minutes ago, PsychNurse24 said:
Hmm, The American Psychiatric Association, and the DSM-5, consider transgender to be a mental illness. It is called Gender Dysphoria. We do not use what the world health organization believes as criteria for the diagnosis of mental illnesses in this country. The APA is the most reputable source!
Transgender and Gender dysphoria are NOT the same thing, period.
Except that being transgender is not a mental illness, so your comparison is irrelevant and not analogous.
You are ignorant! People who are transgender have gender dysphoria which is a diagnosis in the DSM-5. This is not my opinion, this is from the American Psychiatric Association. As a psychiatric nurse I treat people with gender dysphoria, depression, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, And multiple other diagnoses with compassion and without judgement.
There is already a stigma around mental health issues, and you only make this worse by denying that gender dysphoria is an APA diagnosis. How about putting your energy into erasing the stigma of mental health and ensuring that people with mental health disorders Receive the same compassionate care as everyone?
1 minute ago, JadedCPN said:
Transgender and Gender dysphoria are NOT the same thing, period.
Please get a DSM-5 and look up gender dysphoria. Per the APA.
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No, you're wrong. You're also very judgmental of the psychologist who decline these patients. You're basically choosing to ignore the political agenda around trans issues, and as a result are causing more harm. Think about that for a moment - you are harming children.
Yes, it is a mental illness, and in fact there is a doctor who has treated over 500 cases of gender dysphoria and had a 98% success rate of helping them accept their biological gender. But the world doesn't know about this because his work has been removed from as much media sources as possible, and his name turned to mud. I'll see if I can still track him down though, to send you the details.