MSN Nurse without clinical experience please help!!

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I'm a new nurse that has worked in a private home setting that really shouldn't be called a nursing position for three years. I am 90% with my MSN program in Leadership and Management and would like to know what opportunities will be available with my lack of clinical experience? I'm trying to avoid doing floor nursing for a long period of time. Any suggestions?

Is she responding to hawaiicarl or [emoji768]Nurse? Roser quoted the latter.

I apologize if it's the former, but when I read her post, and that's what I get from it. Written communication is not always as clear as spoken.

I know. It's the worst thing about the internet!

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I will tell you without experience I feel for the people you would responsible for...you can't fake this one or google your way through it...you're going to miss something vital and than someone else will pay for your lack of experience.

This is not meant to be hostile, I just want you to take it serious. I know everyone's dogging you but do you really think you can lead without experience? Just by your post I can tell you have no clue what it takes...I mean; if you have to ask...good luck though.:cool:

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Is she responding to hawaiicarl or [emoji768]Nurse? Roser quoted the latter.

I apologize if it's the former, but when I read her post, and that's what I get from it. Written communication is not always as clear as spoken.

She was rebutting to whom she quoted.

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Specializes in Hospice.
And yet PAs do the same, working as primary care providers without any prior experience required, but no one complains about PAs.

Nurse practitioners are still nurses, our advanced education is fostered so that it builds on an assumed foundation.

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Specializes in Hospice.

To the original poster..... I feel for you. Not a fan at all of gastric bypass as I

Feel the very real complications that can and do occur are often glossed over. Why are you racking up more debt for what will be an uphill battle?. Go work as a school nurse or at an insurance company and cut your losses.

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Specializes in Family Practice, Mental Health.
I would be equally interested to hear your opinion on MSN programs that issue advanced nursing degrees without a nursing experience requirement. Please include quantitative outcome data on these programs. Also please include job placement success rates.

Accreditation.

The same governing body that granted you your nursing license is the same one that accredits the advanced nursing degrees without nursing experience requirement within your area.

There are standards that must be met. I've seen this process done myself. It is not something that is just automatic. The community is involved, the students are interviewed, the faculty is examined, the data from the program is combed through. Once that data is accumulated, it goes on to the national level and about 8 months later (or thereabouts), a decision is made as to whether or not a program pasts muster.

There is not a financial benefit for the governing body to give a thumbs up or down to a program.

The quantitative outcomes data on these programs are re-evaluated each time the program is re-accredited. It is not a prospect that is taken lightly.

Why are you even questioning the job placement rates for a ELMSN versus an ADN/ASN or a BSN? If I am to include job placement success rates on every ELMSN program in the US, that would require the use of my over-educated MSN degree where I would have to do ONE of the very things that sets apart the education level of an Associates and a Masters educated nurse: Research and Critical appraisal, and translational research.

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Specializes in Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner.
Nurse practitioners are still nurses, our advanced education is fostered so that it builds on an assumed foundation.

My larger point is that a PA and a NP with "no experience" largely end up performing the same job function. Furthermore, one of the largest complaints about NPs, even about NPs with "real nursing experience," is that PAs outshine them right out of school. PAs get two years of highly focused education that follows the medical model. Meanwhile, NPs are still taking all of the "fluff" classes that they took in their BSN programs, just at an "advanced" level: research, policy, vulnerable populations, etc. So much concentration on accessory courses, and not enough focus on DDx and treatment planning, IMO. No one's going to die if an NP can't cite APA correctly, but no nurse will be able to graduate without it. >:(

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I agree with what almost everyone has said. You must have clinical experience. Everyone has to start somewhere, whether it be a SNF or med/surg. I am currenlty a nurse manager and a clinical instructor but I cannot imagine, doing either of these jobs without the 24 years of nursing experience that I have. I know it may seem difficult now, however, you need that nursing experience to understand what it is to be a nurse. If you should be called out to cover for your staff, which does happen, or if you end up working side by side with your staff, you need to know what to do.

I also agree with what several people have said about having the respect from your staff, or lack thereof, if they know that you have no or minimal nursing experience to back your decisions and leadership. It is difficult enough to lead in these ever changing times of health care and with no understanding of what your staff is dealing with at the bedside, it may be even more difficult. My

best advice is: stay at the SNF, get at least a year of experience then perhaps, transition to an acute care hospital and gain floor experience, maybe charge nurse experience before moving into a managerial role.

Best of luck!!

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The LPN school where I teach will not hire someone to teach without at least two year's experience. I got my MSN after I had been on the floor for 23 years. There are those technically in charge, and those who actually are the leaders. Very seldom are they the same person. People in positions of authority rarely have a clue what those in the trenches actually do, which is unfortunate. They should be willing to pitch in and actually be seen on the floor. They usually only come to the floor to "put on a good show" or to discipline someone.

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This is a trend. 90% of the students in my program claim that they NEVER want to work bedside...period. Furthermore, a few are going right into MSN programs with NO CLINICAL experience. To top it off, the few that are moving to med-surg jobs after graduating were placed by nurse recruiters at very well known hospitals, that themselves did not have clinical experience and after getting BSNs, went straight to recruiting! Does this make any sense?

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This is a trend. 90% of the students in my program claim that they NEVER want to work bedside...period. Furthermore, a few are going right into MSN programs with NO CLINICAL experience. To top it off, the few that are moving to med-surg jobs after graduating were placed by nurse recruiters at very well known hospitals, that themselves did not have clinical experience and after getting BSNs, went straight to recruiting! Does this make any sense?

Nope.

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