MRSA help!

augigi, CNS · Oct 8, 2006

Your health should not be at risk if you treat every patient with universal precautions. Many people (likely including you!) are colonized with MRSA, meaning that it's present in their nose/axilla/throat/groin, yet they are not compromised and are not "infected" with MRSA. If it says "inactive", then it probably means it.

jmgrn65, RN · Oct 8, 2006

the op is right if it is inactive then it probably is, MRSA can be treated effectively with vancomycin and then it should be gone. Contrary to popular belief it can be treated effectively.

CHATSDALE · Oct 8, 2006

be very vigilant as mentioned above with universal precautions.

you cannot avoid infectous people, this may be colonized but you will have to care for pts with active infections take care of yourself so that you can be there to take care of pts down the road

Daytonite, BSN, RN · Oct 8, 2006

hi, mollysdirtysprocket!

here are some links to information about mrsa. it's actually a staphlococcus infection.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dhqp/ar_mrsa_ca_public.html - information for the public about mrsa from the cdc

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/staphylococcalinfections.html - a page of links to more specific information about mrsa conditions on the medline plus site

http://www.symptoms101.com/med/archives/2005/05/msra.php - symptoms of mrsa

http://mrsa-survivors.org/index.html - mrsa survivor's network. site includes symptoms and a fact sheet.

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2166.htm - staphylococcal infections. from emedicine. includes listing of antibiotics used to treat as well as complications of the infection itself.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/medlineplus/leavemedplus.pl?theurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cdc.gov%2fncidod%2fdhqp%2far_mrsa_healthcarefs.html - information about mrsa for healthcare personnel. from the cdc.

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https://allnurses.com/forums/f198/ - the pre-nursing student forum, or

https://allnurses.com/forums/f265/ - the cna - nursing assistant discussions forum

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mollysdirtysprocket · Oct 8, 2006

Thanks for all of your helpful replies! About taking universal precautions-- no one working there does. I mean, we all wash our hands regularly, but nothing really beyond that. Since this was only on one page of his records, and the main staff person doesn't think he really has it, is there a test that can be done to find out?

Thanks so much!

Todd SPN · Oct 8, 2006

Daytonite,

Thanks for the links. I will check them out after work. To the OP, we are seeing many more cases of MRSA at our facility. The problem I see is that it may be colonized, but it can and does become active again. How do you know when it becomes active? We have one res that is classified with colonized that gets UTIs a few times a year and the labs always show MRSA. Had another recently with respitory MRSA. Our infection control nurse said there was no need to gown up unless res was coughing and might get on our uniforms. We of course wear a mask. But what do you do with items she has touched like dinner trays and eating utensils? It seems that we are treating MRSA much more casually than when I had clinicals at the hospital. I have also seen where MRSA is mentioned on one page in a hundred. It does not give you a feeling of security. We have one nurse who can no longer work for us collecting L&I because of contacting MRSA at the facility. Two months ago an aide went to her doctor to have a wound looked at before her wedding and the culture came back MRSA. Your facility has a infection control nurse. I suggest you start asking questions there.

Todd

augigi, CNS · Oct 8, 2006

About taking universal precautions-- no one working there does. I mean, we all wash our hands regularly, but nothing really beyond that.

Does he have signs of infection? If so, culture the site and see what you grow. If not, he doesn't have an active infection.

I'd be more worried if "noone" uses universal precautions!! You need to talk to your manager immediately if people are not using GLOVES and gowns as necessary, not to mention masks/goggles when required. There is NO excuse for that. Ever. And if you are as worried about your own health as you seem, I'd be running in the other direction from any facility which does not enforce this policy.

Are you really saying the staff don't wear gloves or gowns?

solumedrol · Oct 8, 2006

Thanks for the links DaytoNite!

vampiregirl, BSN, RN · Oct 8, 2006

I'd be more worried if "noone" uses universal precautions!! You need to talk to your manager immediately if people are not using GLOVES and gowns as necessary, not to mention masks/goggles when required. There is NO excuse for that. Ever. And if you are as worried about your own health as you seem, I'd be running in the other direction from any facility which does not enforce this policy.
Are you really saying the staff don't wear gloves or gowns?

From reading the OP's post, it refers to working in a group home. Many group homes, such as those for individuals with mental retardation or mental illness, unfortunately are fairly lax in universal precautions. The goal of most group homes is to create a "homelike" environment. Typically, individuals with any active contangious illness cannot reside in them, but this is up to the medical director of the facility. Gloves were required to be used regularly when I worked at a group home, when any the possibility of contacting body fluids existed, including assisting with hygeine tasks and laundry. Gowns and goggles should be readily available in the home, for use in such instances as an injury with spurting blood etc. But rarely in the group home environment are gowns and goggles used on a regular basis. I would suggest the OP addressing the concerns to the group home's nurse if the supervisor did not give you a satisfactory answer. The nurse should know the MRSA status of this resident, MRSA is a huge concern in group homes. Also, the nurse may not be aware that universal precautions are not being consistently implemented. Hopefully, the nurse will address that promptly and provide training.

Group homes can be fantastic places to work if you can find a well-run one. If this particular group home doesn't promptly address the universal precautions issues and the MRSA concern, check around your area if you like working in a group home. Maybe there is another company that also provides group home services.

mollysdirtysprocket · Oct 10, 2006

One last question: is there any consensus if it is still contagious in the "inactive" state?

Thanks for your help guys. You've solidified my instinct that this isn't something that should just be overlooked-- I'm talking with my sup on Thursday and getting contact info for the staff nurse. Thanks!

augigi, CNS · Oct 10, 2006

The answer is it doesn't matter if it's contagious, since unless you are immunocompromised, open cut (NO GLOVES!) etc, then you won't have a problem. It's not "contagious" ie illness causing unless the recipient is susceptible. You could get MRSA from the hands of a store clerk, but it won't usually hurt you.

Emtrachel, I'm aware of the need for "homelike" environment, but if I'm working with people's bodily fluids, I'm wearing gloves as a minimum!!