mortal sin of failing!

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 18, 2005

Can you link these threads? I've missed them.

People are very grade concsious I've noticed, but competition for nursing schools/CRNA schools is fierce and grades matter. But one shouldn't be judgemental of those who make grades less than them. I've known many good nurses and students who bomed a test or two and still graduated with good grades and passed NCLEX. So yes, it's not the invidiual test or class that matters it's the goal and the end result. :)

I've never failed in college, just lucky that way, but I've failed plenty in life and know the sting of defeat. It's made me who I am today. My failures have strengthened me in many ways, if I learn from them rather than give into defeat.

People shouldn't be judged by their failures.

klone, MSN, RN · Oct 18, 2005

I guess I don't know what threads you're referring to.

For me, I would be absolutely devastated if I were to fail. I have a LOT invested in and riding on my becoming an RN next June.

Princess74 · Oct 18, 2005

I think that most everyone has failed a test or two at some point. None of us are perfect; and no I do not think that anyone should be made to feel like they are "lesser of a person" because they do not do as well as someone else may. However, it is not acceptable to continue to fail test etc... in a nursing program. The difference in an A and an F can be the difference in life and death. Failing one test may be ok, if you can remain in the program and quickly catch on so that you understand the subject matter. Failing tests after tests is unacceptable. Not everyone is cut out for nursing, this is why we see so many students weeded out of the program.

truern · Oct 18, 2005

I don't think anybody "judges" them, but facts are you have to pass certain requirements to be a nurse, and if you can't pass them then.....

Everybody has rough patches they go thru, and one can expect grades to fall during those times. But to consistently fail or even come close?? Maybe they need to reevaluate their goals.

I would love to be a rocket scientist, but I'm horrible at whatever it is they take so I've pretty much given up on the idea

Catsmeow · Oct 18, 2005

Isnt it inappropriate the way when reading some of this threads pple talk about others failing as though it should never happen or they are lesser bcoz they do,i find it very discouraging bcoz not everyone is equal.After all i dont think pple should be judged by what they start but by what they finish.please feel free to chip in whether you agree or disagree with this.

I haven't read anything of that nature on these boards. There IS a thread in the pre-nursing board where people discussed the agitation of dealing with other students in class who are not giving it their best. In other words, serious students don't much appreciate when other folks in classes talk incessantly, show up late all the time, disrupt classes, catfight, act petty or immaturely, etc.

No one is judging these folks or wants them to fail, quite the contrary. I wish they'd settle down and behave. We all are paying a hefty sum for this education, and situations like these ya gotta take a deep breath and function the best you can anyway, despite the interruptions. I see nothing wrong with those who vented in a thread on a board about classes. We'd have to be robots to not feel some sense of irritation/frustration about it.

I've also seen lots of positive threads about people failing or not getting the grade they needed because of various reasons and trying again. Nuthin' wrong with that, happens to us all. Please, let's quit trying to make something evil out of what was just some venting.

Editorial Team / Admin · Oct 18, 2005

I haven't read anything of that nature on these boards. There IS a thread in the pre-nursing board where people discussed the agitation of dealing with other students in class who are not giving in their best. In other words, serious students don't much appreciate when other folks in classes talk incessantly, show up late all the time, disrupt classes, catfight, act petty or immaturely, etc.
No one is judging these folks or wants them to fail, quite the contrary. I wish they'd settle down and behave. We all are paying a hefty sum for this education, and situations like these ya gotta take a deep breath and function the best you can anyway, despite the interruptions. I see nothing wrong with those who vented in a thread on a board about classes. We'd have to be robots to not feel some sense of irritation/frustration about it.
I've also seen lots of positive threads about people failing or not getting the grade they needed because of various reasons and trying again. Nuthin' wrong with that, happens to us all. Please, let's quit trying to make something evil out of what was just some venting.

Excellent obsersvation, Catsmeow. :balloons: I couldn't have said it better myself.:)

Sis123 · Oct 18, 2005

The thing that bothers me is the unconscious correlation between *failing a class* (which for the CC I wish to attend is a "C" in any nursing class) and the phrase "weeding out". Therefore, anyone who gets a C, or doesn't have a 4.0 GPA (as in Fun2Care's situation), or who didn't "make the grade" is a WEED.

Using this terminology and thinking, we have many, many WEEDS around us. I guess I am a WEED since I was ejected from nursing school many years ago and am trying again to get back into nursing school. Will I get in? Will I be able to make it, or will I get WEEDED OUT because I am a "WEED"?

Are all the people who don't get in WEEDS? Are the nurses who don't pass NCLEX on the first try weeds?

Are there two groups of people, called RNs and WEEDS?

WEEDS, WEEDS, WEEDS. Pull them from the garden bed and toss on the compost pile where they will disintegrate into their elements which might provide nutrients for desired garden plants in the future.

I guess I have been a WEED, but I am trying to not be one. Whether or not I'll prove to be a WEED the second time remains to be seen. If I am judged to BE A WEED again, will not be due to lack of hours of study or diligence, that's for sure.

klone, MSN, RN · Oct 18, 2005

Um...okay.

I take it you don't like that particular metaphor?

student4ever · Oct 18, 2005

I can't speak for everyone on this board of course, but I just want to put in my opinion. Yes, many of us on here are obsessive compulsive about our grades - mostly because we want so badly to get into these super competetive nursing programs. And yes, we talk about "weeder" classes... you have a valid point in that our terminology is potentially hurtful. I can see your point of view, and I understand where you're coming from. Perhaps we need to be more careful how we word things. When I use the term "weed," I don't mean it to be hurtful, though it may come across as such. I am simply referring to those students who don't care enough to work hard and make the most of their education, or who are in nursing programs only to make money, and don't give a crap about their patients or caring for others. I too have been a so-called "weed" in that I didn't care much about getting perfect grades, and I now look back and hate that I didn't live up to my full potential. It frustrates me to see others piddling around with their education, because I know how much I regret not working as hard as I should have on my first go-round with college. But maybe I shouldn't use the word "weed."

Secondly, even though there are many people on this site who talk about their grades being high, and their 4.0 GPAs, and get EXCITED when they do well, I think we tend to come here to share our excitement because we know that these other nursing students understand the magnitude of our achievement and realize what competition we're up against. And when we don't do as well, I know for a fact that the majority of us are open, caring, listeners who sympathize with and encourage those who are struggling. I know I have recieved such responses myself, and am always ready to give such support to others. I think for the most part this board is full of people who are very caring and supportive, no matter what... Just my opinion.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 18, 2005

Calling a person a "weed" is wrong. Saying "this course weeded out a lot of people" is another thing. I've never heard or read the term "weed" to mean a person. But I might be out of the loop. It's hurtful enough to fail, but to call someone a "weed" is wrong. I'm glad I've never heard that.

klone, MSN, RN · Oct 18, 2005

I've never before heard "weed" in reference to a person, either. At least, not until this thread. Perhaps the person is frustrated, and is merely extrapolating.