Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

There is no decision more personal than whether or not to immunize one's children. Information regarding the safety and effectiveness of today's vaccines is readily available but is overshadowed by opinion and hyperbole offered up by celebrities and others. In light of significant recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases all over North America, it's a good idea to explore the issues. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

To immunize or not to immunize... that is the question. When I was growing up, there really wasn't any controversy - when we were in certain grades, we were all lined up at school and the public health nurse either gave us a shot in the arm or a little pink drop of sugary liquid on a plastic spoon. I have a nice, circular scar on each of my upper arms just below my shoulders that signify my immunization against smallpox, the only disease to have been declared eradicated from the Earth. When my children were small they each were given their shots according to the vaccination schedule of the time. It's what we did. Then came Andrew Wakefield.

The study published by Mr Wakefield purported to link immunizations with the development of autism and it set the world on its ear. The fact that this study has been debunked scientifically a number of times seems not to penetrate the consciousness of a growing group of parents who feel that herd immunity will protect their children. The principle of herd immunity is simple: if enough of a herd of any species is immune to a microbe the odds of an outbreak of that microbial disease are extremely low. And should an outbreak occur, it rapidly diminishes as the number of susceptible hosts drops. Well, guess what... the herd isn't immune any more.

Outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis and varicella have been documented all over complacent North America. Combined with a falling immunization rate, high-speed intercontinental travel allows these diseases to gain a toehold and then they are free to run rampant through populations with low or NO herd immunity. Communicability begins before the infected host becomes symptomatic, so spread is difficult to contain once it begins. Measles had been declared eliminated in the Americas in 2002, with small sporadic outbreaks annually; there were 85 cases on the continent in 2005 and as many as 253 in 2010. But in 2011, the WHO American region reported the highest number of cases seen since the disease was reported eliminated. My city has just recorded its second measles case in as many weeks after years of zero cases and we've had two infants with congenital rubella admitted to our PICU in recent months.

"So what's the big deal?" people say. Health care has changed since the 50s and 60s, and kids don't die of vaccine-preventable diseases any more. Right? Wrong. Children and adults DO die of these diseases, although the number is small and complication rates remain manageable. For now, at least. Even so, people still believe that it's all hype and not really anything to worry about. They forget about the children and adults who are unable to be immunized, not for lack of wanting it but because of other health issues. Children with cancer, blood dyscrasias, organ transplants and certain neurological disorders cannot be immunized against certain diseases. Adults who have been inadequately immunized as children for whatever reason are also at risk. And it's this population who are at risk for dying from chicken pox. Or measles. Or to become sterile from the mumps. Or to have a baby with severe anomalies from congenital rubella. It's not a joke.

In the course of researching my family tree I have come across entire families wiped out by pertussis and measles, and others by typhus, cholera, or scarlet fever (infections that while not vaccine preventable, have been essentially eradicated by modern-day antibiotics and sanitation practices). I'm always deeply saddened when I find them, and I fear that if the current complacency and disdain for immunization continue we may find ourselves right back there.

As pediatric nurses we have a unique opportunity to help make this better. We have many teachable moments in the course of our workday where we could reinforce the message that not only are vaccinations safe and effective, but also that parents aren't only protecting their own children, they're protecting those they encounter out in the world who aren't lucky enough to be able to protect themselves. We can remind them that no one knows what the future might bring and that someday they may find themselves with a child who can't be immunized. I remember a family that had 5 children. None of them were immunized because the mom was opposed. Their fourth child became critically ill and needed a heart transplant. The discussions with this mother were intense and, on some level vaguely threatening when it was pointed out that the child would surely die if one of the siblings brought home a vaccine-preventable disease after going through a transplant. She asked for some time to research things and in the end agreed to have all of her children immunized.

My challenge to you is to examine your own thoughts and feelings about vaccinations from a scientific rather than an emotional perspective. Then I challenge you to formulate your responses to parents who are on the fence about having their children immunized so you have them ready when the opportunity arises. Our future is counting on you.

As a school nurse I really appreciate this article! Luckily we don't have that many vaccine exemptions in my county. I find the whole anti-vaccine argument a bit amusing. There's all this "research" by parents and yet they take the word of some books or "articles" over medical professionals who have spent years learning about the human body. Yes autism rates are on the rise, but people fail to understand that our understanding of autism has changed over the years as well. More children are being identified as autistic and receiving the proper treatment instead of the olden days when they will just label that kid as the "strange kid down the block" or what have you. Same for ADHD. My mom got diagnosed with ADHD in her 30's. Back them people would think of my mom as just a Chatty Kathy and not have a medical condition. I get that not all of the anti-vaxers believe in the autism link, but unless you come at me with a double-blind study from a legitimate peer-reviewed journal please try again.

California passed a law regarding exemptions attempting to make sure that parents got good medical information before an exemption could be granted. The point was to make sure parents had to make a medical appointment with a physician or other provider and listen to them talk about why not vaccinating your child is bad science. We don't have many folks asking for exemptions here fortunately.

It is AB2109. PBE FAQs

(I'm adding this link for you Kenderella)

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/08/26/paul-offit-threatens-religious-and-philosphical-vaccine-exemptions-a-respose-by-suzanne-humphries-md/

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The other side of pseudoscience.

The one I saw had ice cream instead of organic food. :)

I get a lot of meme's from this website. They have a FB page as well.

Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes | Fighting myths and misinformation with facts

Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.
California passed a law regarding exemptions attempting to make sure that parents got good medical information before an exemption could be granted. The point was to make sure parents had to make a medical appointment with a physician or other provider and listen to them talk about why not vaccinating your child is bad science. We don't have many folks asking for exemptions here fortunately.

It is AB2109. PBE FAQs

(I'm adding this link for you Kenderella)

In Vaccines We Trust? Paul Offit threatens religious and philosophical vaccine exemptions. A response by Suzanne Humphries, MD | International Medical Council on Vaccination

Lol that article! And the pictures! Yes there are extremist on both sides of the aisle and as much of a pro-vaccine person I feel yes parent have the right to refuse vaccines for their kids. The problem is where they get their information from. Like that website....

I also love our new PBE law in California! I also appreciate that School Nurses can opt out of having to direct the educational session with parents. Our public health department can do the consultation with a physician for about $35 and have the form signed. I've heard a couple of parents have changed their mind during the session. Also, signing the back of the blue card was just way to convenient for parents who just didn't want to make the appointment. Especially during the TDAP law changes. That's when most of the exemptions happened. Now they have to go anyway!

please, find. there is other work by Klenner. also, paulings vitamin C studies "couldn't be replicated" ...because his hypothesis wasn't followed, could it be the same here?

I remember this study in one of my biology classes. However, this study has yet to be duplicated in large clinical trials and isn't well received in the medical community. I wish I still had the links effectively critiquing that study.
Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.
please, find. there is other work by Klenner. also, paulings vitamin C studies "couldn't be replicated" ...because his hypothesis wasn't followed, could it be the same here?

I assuming you meant "method" not hypothesis. Hypothesis is an educated guess and the method is what you use to determine the legitimacy of a study. And just because someone publishes a study doesn't mean it's accurate. May I bring up Andrew Wakefield?

So I went to pubmed and did some a search of ascorbic acid and poliomyelitis. What I did find was a couple of studies about scurvy and misdiagnosis of polio because they have similar signs and symptoms. Obviously vitamin c improved the health of the children with scurvy. Studies I did find about monkeys infected with polio and given vitamin c did not improve. I'm not saying this Dr. Klenner fudged his data but there is a reason why the medical community has not widely accepted his vitamin c studies. I also looked in to Dr. Klenner and all his work is on how vitamin c should be used to treat a wide variety of diseases. Here is a paper on viral pneumonia with treatment of vitamin c. "Could it be that, by maintaining a high blood level of this vitamin, all body tissue is allowed to return to normal in spite of the existing fever and the presence of the specific organism, and that, acting as a respiratory catalyst, it enables the body to build up adequate resistance to the invader?" Come on!

Virus Pneumonia and Its Treatment With Vitamin C

If you want to exercise your right to not vaccinate your children, that's fine. I don't think that they should be allowed in school to put other children at risk.

Lol that article! And the pictures! Yes there are extremist on both sides of the aisle and as much of a pro-vaccine person I feel yes parent have the right to refuse vaccines for their kids. The problem is where they get their information from. Like that website....

I also love our new PBE law in California! I also appreciate that School Nurses can opt out of having to direct the educational session with parents. Our public health department can do the consultation with a physician for about $35 and have the form signed. I've heard a couple of parents have changed their mind during the session. Also, signing the back of the blue card was just way to convenient for parents who just didn't want to make the appointment. Especially during the TDAP law changes. That's when most of the exemptions happened. Now they have to go anyway!

Yeah, that was the point. Making it hard for those parents who simply didn't want to take the time to get their kiddo immunized-hoping that requiring parents to make an appointment with a medical provider to get the exemption would just be too much of a bother and they'd get the kids immunized. But, they added Credentialed School Nurses at the end of the list for medical providers. Most of us say we do not have the time because school nurses here only work part time and cannot get all the mandated stuff done anyway so how would we have time to make appointment with parents (who rarely show up for an IEP!) and talk with them. I'm swamped with H&V and careplans for kids who have illnesses or take meds.

I'm also not a fan of the government mandating us . . . .but parents do have other options if they truly don't want to immunize their kids. Private school and home school are options.

We have to tell the parents that if there is an outbreak of . .say . . chicken pox at school (due to folks not vaccinating) then their unvaccinated child has to stay out of school for a couple of weeks. Most parents both work and wouldn't want that to happen. Who'd watch the kids for two weeks?

I assuming you meant "method" not hypothesis. Hypothesis is an educated guess and the method is what you use to determine the legitimacy of a study. And just because someone publishes a study doesn't mean it's accurate. May I bring up Andrew Wakefield?

So I went to pubmed and did some a search of ascorbic acid and poliomyelitis. What I did find was a couple of studies about scurvy and misdiagnosis of polio because they have similar signs and symptoms. Obviously vitamin c improved the health of the children with scurvy. Studies I did find about monkeys infected with polio and given vitamin c did not improve. I'm not saying this Dr. Klenner fudged his data but there is a reason why the medical community has not widely accepted his vitamin c studies. I also looked in to Dr. Klenner and all his work is on how vitamin c should be used to treat a wide variety of diseases. Here is a paper on viral pneumonia with treatment of vitamin c. "Could it be that, by maintaining a high blood level of this vitamin, all body tissue is allowed to return to normal in spite of the existing fever and the presence of the specific organism, and that, acting as a respiratory catalyst, it enables the body to build up adequate resistance to the invader?" Come on!

Virus Pneumonia and Its Treatment With Vitamin C

Thank you - Pubmed is my go-to place for research as well and I read those same studies. Like I said, I spent a happy hour this morning reading. I love medical research.

On a break but that break is over now . . . .

one reason is cost. or lack there. I think I am using hypothesis correctly, if you are trying to replicate a study you must perform it with the same parameters, not select your own and then say it doesn't work. And what trouble do you have with his wording? from a different time.

I assuming you meant "method" not hypothesis. Hypothesis is an educated guess and the method is what you use to determine the legitimacy of a study. And just because someone publishes a study doesn't mean it's accurate. May I bring up Andrew Wakefield?

So I went to pubmed and did some a search of ascorbic acid and poliomyelitis. What I did find was a couple of studies about scurvy and misdiagnosis of polio because they have similar signs and symptoms. Obviously vitamin c improved the health of the children with scurvy. Studies I did find about monkeys infected with polio and given vitamin c did not improve. I'm not saying this Dr. Klenner fudged his data but there is a reason why the medical community has not widely accepted his vitamin c studies. I also looked in to Dr. Klenner and all his work is on how vitamin c should be used to treat a wide variety of diseases. Here is a paper on viral pneumonia with treatment of vitamin c. "Could it be that, by maintaining a high blood level of this vitamin, all body tissue is allowed to return to normal in spite of the existing fever and the presence of the specific organism, and that, acting as a respiratory catalyst, it enables the body to build up adequate resistance to the invader?" Come on!

Virus Pneumonia and Its Treatment With Vitamin C

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
one reason is cost. or lack there. I think I am using hypothesis correctly, if you are trying to replicate a study you must perform it with the same parameters, not select your own and then say it doesn't work. And what trouble do you have with his wording? from a different time.

You are talking about method not hypothesis.

I couldn't find this thread all afternoon and was so sad! It wasn't in my bookmarks anymore. Searched for the OP and found it just now.

I'm glad I found it - this is an interesting topic. One close to my heart as a school nurse who worked L&D and ER for my first 9 years as a Registered Nurse. Plus, I love medicine.

Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.
one reason is cost. or lack there. I think I am using hypothesis correctly, if you are trying to replicate a study you must perform it with the same parameters, not select your own and then say it doesn't work. And what trouble do you have with his wording? from a different time.

First off, From Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Definition of HYPOTHESIS: 1a: an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument; b: an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action2:a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences

3:the antecedent clause of a conditional statement

Definition of METHOD: 1: a procedure or process for attaining an object: as a(1): a systematic procedure, technique, or mode of inquiry employed by or proper to a particular discipline or art (2): a systematic plan followed in presenting material for instruction; b(1):a way, technique, or process of or for doing something (2): a body of skills or techniques

You replicate the method not a hypothesis. My hypothesis does not have to be the same to replicate a study. My hypothesis could be to determine if blah, blah, blah's original study can be replicated or whatever.

A replication study is a project that repeats—either precisely or in large part—the same research methods that were used in an earlier project. A replication study is typically designed to perform one of four functions: Assess the results of an earlier investigation in order to confirm or disconfirm the reported outcomes of that investigation. Repeat an earlier investigation at a later date in order to judge how stable the results have remained with the passing of time and to estimate the causes of any changes that occurred. Alter some aspect of the earlier methodology in order to discover what effect such alteration has on the outcome. Apply the earlier method to a different group of people or different set of events in order to learn whether conclusions derived from the earlier study apply equally well to those different people or events.

Replicating Others' Research : SAGE Research Methods

Second, I don't have trouble with his wording. And it's the 1900's not the 1800's so my comprehension is fine. I have a problem with his belief that high levels of vitamin C will somehow reverse the damage caused by a pathogen or organism to "boost" the immune system and allow the body to fight off the disease or invader.

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

This really highlights the importance of research methods and scholarly research as part of the nursing curriculum at all levels.