Mandatory flu shots????

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It didn't dawn on me until just right now, don't ask me why, that my choice of NOT getting a flu shot will NOT get me into a nursing program. The director at my school of choice basically stated "it is a requirement that you receive one, however you can sign a declaration that you do not wish to receive one." Then I asked, "would that inhibit my chances of getting into the program?" She replied, "well, the facilities in which we work with it is required due to you working with elderly clients; If you do not wish to get the flu shot perhaps you should look into another career."

*****?? (excuse the language) I have worked in nursing homes, health centers, private duty, home health agencies, visiting nurses association, hospice AND THEY NEVER REQUIRED me to ever receive or even ASKED if I have obtained a flu shot!!! (mid 90's)

So, anyone please tell me my dream of becoming a nurse is already dead because I REFUSE to get a flu shot???!!! seriously??? I am so upset right now!!!

Specializes in Anesthesia.
Personally, i will never get a flu shot again. I had one for the first time three weeks ago, and my symptoms started after receiving it - fever and chills, nausea and vomiting, dizziness - and this is STILL GOING ON TODAY. THREE WEEKS of being sick as ****, unable to keep food down, blacking out several times, vomiting and shaking and cold sweats...this is horrible. No job is worth feeling like this for so long. And the worst part is, I don't know when it is going to stop! When am I going to be back to normal again? It's been three weeks!

I walked into the flu clinic feeling perfectly fine, and shortly after that injection I felt like hell and it hasn't gone away. I've literally not had the flu since middle school. I've not been sick with any sort of illness since one bout of flu in 6th grade. No fevers, no flu, no respiratory infections, not even a common winter cold! Yet somehow i "needed" a ******* flu shot that made me feel worse than I've ever felt in my life.

That is called coincidence and anecdotal evidence. How do you know that you weren't already harboring bacterial or viral infection before getting the flu shot? How do you know it is all not just supratemporal?

I got eat a banana and then get in car wreck. Does that mean that bananas cause car wrecks?

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
Don't apologize! You are absolutely right.

You can get a preservative-free vaccine which does not contain thimerosal (mercury), but that still does not put you in the clear as far as potential adverse reactions.

Until there have been several legitimate LONG TERM studies (i.e. spanning several decades) disproving the potential correlation between flu vaccines and increased risk of Alzheimers, no one should be mandating a flu shot.

There has been long term studies of Flu vaccine going back to the 1940's. A lack of understanding of scientific literature and personal bias does not equate not mandating the flu shot.

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No one should ever be force medicated. If that is the only method they have come up with, then they need to find a new "solution". For people who can't see the agenda behind why they would force medicate I'm not sure it's worth wasting my breath explaining it to you. I'm not sure how much more obvious it can possibly become that we are a nation of sick care, we profit off illness. What great trick it is to inject someone with something promising them health while simultaneously creating secondary health issues. Anytime anyone or anything is above being sued.. Laws being created to protect them in the event of being found out.. One should become very skeptical. We are one of the sickest countries on the planet and we are the biggest pushers of vaccines. If someone were to force their religion on you there would be great push back.. But forcing someone to INJECT themselves with something they do not believe in.. That's ok? One only need travel the world to see how unethical and greed driven our (America) health(sick)care truly is. Regardless of your stance on vaccination, no one should ever encourage forcing others to do something so invasive. One day it will be your rights being trampled on, and you will have no one to blame but yourselves.

I'd like to add, people are quick to throw around scientific articles backing up their own beliefs. Let's not forget, where there is a study, there is funding.. And 9 times out of 10 those funding the study have much to gain off the desired results. Just as many corrupt scientists as politicians. Journals are being bought out by corporations and being censored. There isn't much you can trust these days. For every Dr. You claim agrees with you I can name one who agrees with me. What it boils down to is freedom of choice. Every drug that was pulled off the market was once deemed safe and effective with plenty of scientific studies to vouch for it. Will we ever learn? You have a right to believe in every bought and paid for study you want, you are free to take its advice and inject yourself with controversial ingredients. Others would like the same courtesy if they choose not to. I am not anti vaccine, I am anti force medicating and forcing my beliefs on others.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
No one should ever be force medicated. If that is the only method they have come up with, then they need to find a new "solution". For people who can't see the agenda behind why they would force medicate I'm not sure it's worth wasting my breath explaining it to you. I'm not sure how much more obvious it can possibly become that we are a nation of sick care, we profit off illness. What great trick it is to inject someone with something promising them health while simultaneously creating secondary health issues. Anytime anyone or anything is above being sued.. Laws being created to protect them in the event of being found out.. One should become very skeptical. We are one of the sickest countries on the planet and we are the biggest pushers of vaccines. If someone were to force their religion on you there would be great push back.. But forcing someone to INJECT themselves with something they do not believe in.. That's ok? One only need travel the world to see how unethical and greed driven our (America) health(sick)care truly is. Regardless of your stance on vaccination, no one should ever encourage forcing others to do something so invasive. One day it will be your rights being trampled on, and you will have no one to blame but yourselves.

I'd like to add, people are quick to throw around scientific articles backing up their own beliefs. Let's not forget, where there is a study, there is funding.. And 9 times out of 10 those funding the study have much to gain off the desired results. Just as many corrupt scientists as politicians. Journals are being bought out by corporations and being censored. There isn't much you can trust these days. For every Dr. You claim agrees with you I can name one who agrees with me. What it boils down to is freedom of choice. Every drug that was pulled off the market was once deemed safe and effective with plenty of scientific studies to vouch for it. Will we ever learn? You have a right to believe in every bought and paid for study you want, you are free to take its advice and inject yourself with controversial ingredients. Others would like the same courtesy if they choose not to. I am not anti vaccine, I am anti force medicating and forcing my beliefs on others.

No one is being held down and forced to get the flu shot, if you don't want the flu shot then work somewhere else.

You can rant and rave all day long but what you really are saying is you have no objective scientific evidence to support your views.

Can you tell me who funds the majority of phase 4 vaccine trials? I will give you a clue it isn't the pharmaceutical companies.

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That is called coincidence and anecdotal evidence. How do you know that you weren't already harboring bacterial or viral infection before getting the flu shot? How do you know it is all not just supratemporal?

I got eat a banana and then get in car wreck. Does that mean that bananas cause car wrecks?

LOL...I haven't heard "supratemporal" since I worked in the ED.

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I'm curious as to why people will rail against flu shots (when mandatory) as being "forced" to have medication foisted upon them. You have a choice; it's a condition of your employment. Don't want the shot.....don't do it, but DO expect to be out of a job.

I wonder if nursing students, who are told they MUST have certain vaccinations, cry out against their being "forced" to do this? Again, no student is "forced": you want to go to the clinical sites? You want to have the facilities take the risk of having you in their buildings, with their patients? You GET the SHOTS.

Does this mindset change after one is a nurse, that employer-mandated requirements for routine vaccinations are unreasonable?

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No one is being held down and forced to get the flu shot, if you don't want the flu shot then work somewhere else.

BINGO!

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That is called coincidence and anecdotal evidence. How do you know that you weren't already harboring bacterial or viral infection before getting the flu shot? How do you know it is all not just supratemporal?

Is there a POSSIBILITY that I've randomly suddenly become ill for the first time in OVER 15 YEARS just coincidentally at the same time as I received a flu shot? sure. Is it also possible that the flu shot triggered these symptoms? YES.

Pretty sad that you think you're clever for tossing in "supratemporal". That would imply that I expected to have such severe effects before I even got the shot. While I object to flu vaccination on moral grounds (I do not believe in ingesting animal-derived products) and concern over potential effects that may show up in 20+ years, I never in my wildest dreams expected to become so violently ill just after having the shot. Can't have a self-fulfilling prophecy without the prophecy. Thanks for playing though!

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
Is there a POSSIBILITY that I've randomly suddenly become ill for the first time in OVER 15 YEARS just coincidentally at the same time as I received a flu shot? sure. Is it also possible that the flu shot triggered these symptoms? YES.

Pretty sad that you think you're clever for tossing in "supratemporal". That would imply that I expected to have such severe effects before I even got the shot. While I object to flu vaccination on moral grounds (I do not believe in ingesting animal-derived products) and concern over potential effects that may show up in 20+ years, I never in my wildest dreams expected to become so violently ill just after having the shot. Can't have a self-fulfilling prophecy without the prophecy. Thanks for playing though!

You are morally against the flu shot and then suddenly get all sorts of anxiety type symptoms after receiving the flu shot. No, that does seem like a supratemporal reaction at all.

Oh, wait that is the pretty much the exact definition.

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fever and chills, nausea and vomiting, dizziness - and this is STILL GOING ON TODAY. THREE WEEKS of being sick as ****, unable to keep food down, blacking out several times, vomiting and shaking and cold sweats...this is horrible.

You need to see your PCP; three weeks of those symptoms is not a physiologic reaction to vaccination.

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You need to see your PCP; three weeks of those symptoms is not a physiologic reaction to vaccination.

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But it has to be right because coincidence is causation....

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
But it has to be right because coincidence is causation....

I bet the fever is 98.7 but "that's a fever for me because I always run low"

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