LPN students have to give bed baths to classmates?!

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In class today, our instructor informed us that we would be required to give one another bed baths as part of the course. The majority of the class are females, and we also have a few men. We were told the men would work with the men, the women with the women.

Basically, we'd be required to bring a bathing suit to class, change and be (I hate to use the term this way) forced to recieve a bed bath. For many of us, this doesn't exactly sit well. I understand the experience is to give us a sense of empathy and compassion for patients, but for me personally, this is going a bit over the line and even though this is coming around in a few weeks, I'm already feeling extremely violated

We were also informed that if we refused, we would be kicked out of the program. Also, many of us don't even own bathing suits - as we were discussing it on break, about 70% of us don't even own one; we brought this up to our instructor and were told that if we didn't own one, we'd have to do it in our bras and underwear. Personally, this is really overwhelming for me.

Now, mind you, I do not have anything against giving a bath or bed bath to an individual - I worked in a NYS ARC for a period of time and that was part of my job as a direct support professional.

My issues with this are extremely personal - its not about stretch marks from pregnancy or weight gain like many of the other women had mentioned; I have some severe scarring from being a victim of abuse years ago. Its not something I wish to flaunt or have to explain to people. Even going to the doctor's office, I have a very difficult time undressing and more often than not, I keep my clothing on.

I read a previous post from 2008 on the subject - how many LPN students had to go through the same procedures, but there were also alternatives - dry baths, with students fully clothed, etc (I could deal with that).

I don't want to lose this oppertunity because of this (once again, refusal = dismissal from the program).

What would you do??

Your personal feelings about nude spas, asian baths and group rub-downs have nothing to do with nursing school and it is highly inappropriate for you to be injecting your opinions on how someone must deal with abuse in their past and making reckless statements such as "you are not special". Those things are the purview of professional counselors and psychologists.

call me old school, and continue to assume that i am not a psychologist.

your inference from my post content is within your cognitive schema.

there is nothing i can do for you.

Not to mention this isn't a discussion on asian spa rituals and what is to be expected, but note to self, don't go to an asian spa :|

as long as you don't tell people you are an "asian spa school student" then you should be just fine. if you do, though, i am sure someone will be along to rant about your claim in a minute or so. in any case, you will never find a real asian spa in USA. you have to live in east asia to experience it.

since you missed the point, i'll spell it out. people in most western cultures see nudity, sexuality, shame, and personal boundaries very differently than people in east asian cultures do. westerners think they own themselves, while east asians realise that they own only their position in their community. perhaps we as medical professionals would do well to adopt the indifference that east asian cultures exemplify in this respects.

sure, it's difficult for a westerner, coming from an individualistic and self oriented culture to understand. but it could be a good thing in our special professional circumstances within our society. then, maybe i ask too much.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
as long as you don't tell people you are an "asian spa school student" then you should be just fine.

BTW, you will never find a real asian spa in USA. you have to live in asia to understand.

I never said anything about finding an Asian spa in the USA. I assumed you meant this was over in Asia. I also don't agree you have to be ok with your own nudity to be around nude people. I have dealt with many patients and their nudity, or nudity in other cases without problems, that doesn't mean I am OK being nude in front of others. I also agree with the other posters comments on your comment regarding sexual abuse.

note to self: skip the spa when in Asia.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
as long as you don't tell people you are an "asian spa school student" then you should be just fine. if you do, though, i am sure someone will be along to rant about your claim in a minute or so. in any case, you will never find a real asian spa in USA. you have to live in east asia to experience it.

since you missed the point, i'll spell it out. people in most western cultures see nudity, sexuality, shame, and personal boundaries very differently than people in east asian cultures do. westerners think they own themselves, while east asians realise that they own only their position in their community. perhaps we as medical professionals would do well to adopt the indifference that east asian cultures exemplify in this respects.

sure, it's difficult for a westerner, coming from an individualistic and self oriented culture to understand. but it could be a good thing in our special professional circumstances within our society. then, maybe i ask too much.

Since you are not a fan of assumptions, don't assume I missed the point and I don't need anything spelled out. In our profession it's best to learn how to communicate in a professional and courteous manner, being condescending doesn't fit that.

Last but not least, I am not a Nurse in Asia, I am a nursing student in America and in Western Culture, a good majority of my patients are going to be from that same culture and if they are not I will respect their culture. Who is to say the Asian culture has it right and we do not? I would not go to a school in Asia or a hospital there and start expecting them to act as they do in America. If you feel westerner's are not up to par on their beliefs and how they view certain things, why not be a nurse in a country where you respect their culture more?

I also agree with the other posters comments on your comment regarding sexual abuse.

i find it interesting that you assume the poster in question who spoke of visible scars as a result of abuse was a victim of sexual abuse. this is telling in regard to your schema. visible scars are typical of physical abuse that is generally not sexual in nature.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

If we wanted professional advice, we certainly wouldn't get it from an overly impressed with him (?) self person on the internet. Call me underwhelmed with your pan-cultural omniscience. You're an ordinary internet troll.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
i find it interesting that you assume the poster in question who spoke of visible scars as a result of abuse was a victim of sexual abuse. this is telling in regard to your schema. visible scars are typical of physical abuse that is generally not sexual in nature.

Actually they can be from both, I know this first hand. But it was a slip up of mine to put sexual because I was reading your posts going on about nudity not needing to be sexual in nature and lost track of what I was writing.

I also know first hand though that sexual abuse can stem many issues with being nude in front of other people and being put in such a vulnerable position of being nude, I would be willing to bet I am not the only one that can attest to that. It is pretty common, and in nursing school you learn when sexual abuse has happened there are specific ways you need to handle the patient because of this.

I am curious, are you in Nursing School?

In our profession it's best to learn how to communicate in a professional and courteous manner, being condescending doesn't fit that.

in any occupation it is better to create structure than to allow chaos. delivery is best given to a quiet people quietly and with much humility, so that the people will be unaware of the change and will say, "but how could it be otherwise? it has always been so"...an unquiet people is a different can of worms (apologies to lao tzu)

my friend, never underestimate your power to project your own schema upon those around you. this is especially true in circumstances in which those around you are disempowered by infirmity. it is in the patient's interest that you project not at all.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
in any occupation it is better to create structure than to allow chaos. delivery is best given to a quiet people quietly and with much humility, so that the people will be unaware of the change and will say, "but how could it be otherwise? it has always been so"...an unquiet people is a different can of worms (apologies to lao tzu)

my friend, never underestimate your power to project your own schema upon those around you. this is especially true in circumstances in which those around you are disempowered by infirmity. it is in the patient's interest that you project not at all.

Chaos is what I see in this post. LOL, Anyway, I am done here, I completely agree with Nursel56 previous post. I think you just like "hearing yourself talk". I mean do people really even talk like this in the real world? I have never heard it in my 31 years.

Have a good night :)

If we wanted professional advice, we certainly wouldn't get it from an overly impressed with him (?) self person on the internet. Call me underwhelmed with your pan-cultural omniscience. You're an ordinary internet troll.

i am sure you are much more qualified than i to render an opinion on just about anything, being more advanced in age and in number of kudos on an internet forum. i am, however, not just an ordinary internet troll. i am a certified bridge troll, to be specific. as for omniscience, well, it's overrated and underappreciated, i assure you.

Specializes in oncology, med-surg.
Chaos is what I see in this post. LOL, Anyway, I am done here, I completely agree with Nursel56 previous post. I think you just like "hearing yourself talk". I mean do people really even talk like this in the real world? I have never heard it in my 31 years.

Have a good night :)

I totally agree! Don't you just love it when people whip out their "Big words" yet their sentences are not coherent? Ha Ha

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