Eliminating LPNs - are hospitals doing this? - page 7
Hello All, My mother is an LPN at a major women's and children's medical center in Honolulu. Recently the hospital announced that it may eliminate the LPN position throughout the hopsital in the... Read More
Aug 21, '03Originally posted by ainz
The original post talked about a hospital's decision to eliminate LPN positions. There are many reasons that a hospital would consider doing this.
It is always my hope that we can engage in intelligent dialogue to understand things, learn things, share experiences, share different points of view as mature people. I suppose at times that is difficult.
I do not "look down" on anyone, LPNs, nursing assistants, ADNs, no one. I do not have a general view that all people who are LPNs are inferior in some way.
The point is this, for the profession of nursing to advance we must clearly define the one path of education to become a "nurse." There is no judgment of others in this statement.
Aug 21, '03Thank you lgflamini.
When this issue comes up it is always difficult. Anyone who pursues some degree of education has to sacrifice something, work hard, and go through the difficulties of being a student. It is especially difficult when you have a family, children, financial obligations, etc, I know because I went through all of this going back to school.
After working hard to achieve something, people are proud of their achievement and they should be. I know many and have worked with many LPNs that give excellent care. People that choose to be LPNs are no more or less than anyone else, it is just a choice they made, it does not mean they are not capable of becoming an RN or whatever else they choose to pursue.
Should the powers that be in nursing decide that the BSN becomes the entry level the question of what to do with all of the current experienced nurses must be solved. I suppose nurses would be grandfathered in to some degree or assisted to obtain the BSN, that would certainly be my suggestion. I also think that a program similar to the ADN or LPN or some combination should be preserved as technical workers that would assist the BSN nurse. I think this would be needed.
I just think we need to remedy this situation so that everyone knows what to expect and what is required to be in nursing. Then people can make their choices and prepare to accomplish whatever goals they set for themselves and the question of LPN or ADN or BSN is settled once and for all.
I have stated my opinion and I am done with this thread. I apologize if I offend anyone but I can't apologize for what I think is best for the profession of nursing.
Aug 21, '03I agree. The biggest problem is the 'powers that be' need to provide the slots in BSN programs.
In the 1990s too many programs were eliminated. At UCLA for instance.
Aug 21, '03Nurse89
Please don't be sorry about my being looked down on! It was those in management that "looked down". My peers were never that way. Anyway, that was not a factor that bothered me...I just wanted to keep on working!
Aug 25, '03Here in Cleveland some hospitals have opted to eliminate or downsize the amount of clinically trained and state licensed LPN's . Care has suffered & RN's are stressed.
CNA's do NOT have the 1200 hours of Clinical Practice that LPN's do and they did not pass a comprehensive state board test for licensure to practice nursing.
I wish the hospital administrations instead of eliminating the LPN would be willing to PAY for their RN education with the agreement of retention for 2 or 3 years. Help your staff and the staff will help you.
Aug 29, '03Only the laws limit hospitals in their practice of staffing with the cheapest help they can get away with.
The laws...plus nurses with the backbone to say I'm not going to supervise the care of this many patients without getting more nurses here with me.
Nov 7, '04I believe hospitals do this to LPNs for all of the already stated reasons as well as this: There is a general stigma against LPNs in our society.
LPNs are not really considered nurses by many people. This may not always be the status quo, but many days, as an LPN of 12 years, I feel this way. I have worked in the acute care setting for the last 3 years. It is very difficult to acquire a job in a hospital in Nashville, TN as an LPN.....not impossible, but hard.
I was just hired at one of the more prestigious hospitals here, but I feel like I was hired only because I will graduate from an RN program in may. The hospitals statistical data reports that there is only approximately 20 LPNs employed there compared to 900 RNs.
I could give many reasons as to why I feel society as a whole does not consider an LPN a nurse, but I will only state a couple. I believe this idea is perpetuated in many RN programs. While working on a med-surg floor last year, I had a RN student assigned to one of my patients. I spent more time with that one patient than the others having to "teach the student". after watching me insert a new IV and some other tasks, we were talking and he asked me if I was ever going to go back to school to be a nurse? I asked him where exactly did he not see nurse in my title? Has any one seen the Johnson & Johnson comercial that airs during national nurses week? It only pays tribute to RNs.......These are just minor examples I admit. I could give many more but I do not think anyone has the time for that.
This is my point. If many people feel this way about LPNs, It would look better if a hospital was staffed only with RNs. For what patient would want someone that is not considered a nurse(in theory) taking care of them. I have been asked by a few of my patients after introducing myself as their nurse, "are you an RN"? I believe this is one reason hospitals prefer to staff only RNs. I wish there was more education to RN students and the public about LPNs. I feel for any LPN that is in danger of having there position eliminated, for I know it could be me tomorrow, and I worked hard to become an LPN.
Nov 7, '04My hospitals will NOT hire LPN's...and I find it to be a serious err on their behalf!
I work with 5 fine wonderful LPN's...and I learn so much from them (and suprisingly vs versa! YEAH!). But they stay in my facility because frankly..they can't find jobs elsewhere! Lucky for them all the RN's appreciate, care and respect them at my facility very much! It isn't that way other places which is so wrong!
I would hire an experienced LPN anyday! They have the experience thrown on them, most times as I have seen, that RN's are supose to take on...but Admin gives it to them anyway! A reason they call them "practical"...good thing in my book~!
Nov 7, '04I can remember the mass LPN layoffs about 15-20 years ago. Stupid idea then. Stupid now if they try it. To be honest, some of the best damn nurses I've worked with and grown professionally from were LPNs. In fact, I make a point to never overwork my LPNs that are assigned with me. I make it a point to not be a "desk" RN (butt fully planted in chair, growing roots). I get out there on the floor and run my shoes off "with" them...my way of appreciating their dedication and skills. In fact, two of my nurse role models just happen to be LPN; I can't say enough about them. I have RN role models too, of course. Letting LPNs go...big, big mistake.