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drgurdev drgurdev (New) New

Has 20 years experience.

Hello,

I'm Director Of Punjab Medical Institute Of Nursing & Hospital,Punjab State, INDIA & running a Nursing College with A.N.M. & G.N.M. (RNRM) BSN since 1989, recognized & affiliated with Punjab nurses registration Council -Chandigarh, Punjab State & Indian Nurses Council - New Delhi, INDIA. We were running these courses as per norms & infrastructure of State Government as well as Government Of INDIA. Our college is also registered to T.N.A.I. (Trained Nurses Association of India).

We are also running Courses Like Nursing Assistant (CNA), Licensed Practical Nursing (LPN) Medical Asssisstant, O.T. Tech., E.C.G. Tech., MBA Hospital Administration, Nursing Administration, Physiotherapy, Medical Acupuncture & Acupressure, Nanny training, English Speaking Courses and Computer Courses with Hospital Management Software. We are giving training Of NCLEX with online training too & IELTS training to our candidates from IDP Australia Planet EDU, as we are the authorized center of them in Jalandhar City & also with British council for IELTS & their other courses.

So many RNRM & BSN migrated to US & Canada through CGFNS/NCLEX. Now I want to know is their any scope for CNA & LPN's to migrate in US & Canada or else where like UK, AUStralia etc. If yes then what the procedure & way to get it.

I'll be very Thankful to you.

Regards.

drgurdev

Has 20 years experience.

I posted this post in LPN's corner too so sorry for writing again.

Hello,

I'm Director Of Punjab Medical Institute Of Nursing & Hospital, Punjab State, INDIA & running a Nursing College with A.N.M. & G.N.M. (RNRM) BSN since 1989, recognized & affiliated with Punjab nurses registration Council -Chandigarh, Punjab State & Indian Nurses Council - New Delhi, INDIA. We were running these courses as per norms & infrastructure of State Government as well as Government Of INDIA. Our college is also registered to T.N.A.I. (Trained Nurses Association of India).

We are also running Courses Like Nursing Assistant (CNA), Licensed Practical Nursing (LPN) Medical Asssisstant, O.T. Tech., E.C.G. Tech., MBA Hospital Administration, Nursing Administration, Physiotherapy, Medical Acupuncture & Acupressure, Nanny training, English Speaking Courses and Computer Courses with Hospital Management Software. We are giving training Of NCLEX with online training too & IELTS training to our candidates from IDP Australia Planet EDU, as we are the authorized center of them in Jalandhar City & also with British council for IELTS & their other courses.

So many RNRM & BSN migrated to US & Canada through CGFNS/NCLEX. Now I want to know is their any scope for CNA & LPN's to migrate in US & Canada or else where like UK, AUStralia etc. If yes then what the procedure & way to get it.

I'll be very Thankful to you.

Regards.

TheCommuter, BSN, RN

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych. Has 14 years experience.

Moved to the International forum, where you can receive better service.

Silverdragon102, BSN

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC. Has 32 years experience.

Most countries will require a RN for immigration. EU doesn't train LPN/EN anymore so will not accept anything less than RN. You will find most countries will not have a shortage of CNA's therefore they do not meet immigration requirements.

Sorry, but the programs that you are offering are not going to get anyone a visa for any other country. You will not find any countries providing visas for the practical nurse, there is no shortage of that category.

Only thing that will work is for the nurse to have RN after their name.

And even for the US, there is now currently more than a six year wait for the RNs that are applying for the green card.

Things are getting very tight all over right now, so it is going to be hard to get anyone placed for quite a long time. The UK also has a hiring freeze in effect as well.

To get a visa for the US, one must have the RN after their name to even be able to apply for a visa; without those two letters, impossible.

Another question for you: Not sure that India recognizes the practical nurse for licensure as well; if they do not then your program would not meet one of the major requirements if they were able to go to another country to work, but they are not; and that is that the nursing training be considered a first level profession nurse. Practical nurses are what is considered a technical training, not a professional one in terms of licensure as a start. We seen programs from the Philippines and even with all of the advertising, there is no way to get a legal visa for any country that I am aware of with this training. Only those that train there and already hold either a green card or US citizenship are able to get a license in the US; and that is not always a done deal.

drgurdev,

the new regulations for immigration to canada in the federal skilled workers categories have put lpn licensed practised nurse in the national occupational classification. it is an occupation that is in shortage in canada and immigration canada is accepting applications for lpns that can complete the other requirements for permanent residency through the fsw (federal skilled worker program). the new process should take between 6 months to 1 year.

the applicant should have at least one year of experience.

check the cic website for more information and also check the regulations for foreign lpns as far as licensure requirements/eligibility in the different provinces in canada and pratice. i believe lpns have to be licensed where they have completed their nursing program to be eligible for licensure in any of the provinces but check the right sources for accurate information (board of nursing's website and cic's website).

here is some info on how to become an alberta licensed lpn, so just do the same with other pronvinces and see what comes up and you can contact bow valley and norquest colleges directly for the accurate info.

from: http://www.clpna.com/applicants/internationallyeducatednurses/tabid/75/default.aspx

[color=#ffffff]internationally educated nurses graduates of non-licensed practical nurse programs - out of country

applicants who have graduated from a health care program that is not a canadian practical nurse or an american practical/vocation nurse must complete a prior learning assessment and recognition (plar) and practical nurse preparation before becoming a licensed practical nurse in alberta.

first, applicants are assessed by the colleges where the practical nurse program is provided: norquest college (edmonton) and bow valley college (calgary). a clinical placement is included in this process. from this assessment, applicants are given direction for steps that must be completed to become eligible to write the canadian practical nurse national registration exam (cpnre). please contact either norquest college or bow valley college and they will give you the documents required to begin the process.

the colleges will conduct a prior learning assessment and recognition (plar) to assess your education and compare it with the alberta practical nurse program requirements. all applicants must complete a learning module called professional growth and a supervised clinical placement. you will be introduced to the current role of the lpn and provided experience working within that role. the plar will identify any additional education you must complete. these arrangements will be made between yourself and the college.

upon successful completion of the plar, you will be granted a practical nurse credential and may apply to clpna to write the canadian practical nurse registration exam.

contact the below colleges to begin your prior learning assessment and recognition (plar). please explain you have completed health related studies and are seeking a plar with the goal of obtaining a practical nurse credential. you will be required to meet the college's entrance requirements and provide original documentation for the plar. a current criminal record check will be required.

norquest college

practical nurse program

contact: sat pal mahey

10704 - 102 avenue

edmonton, ab t5j 4h9

(780) 644-6349 (phone) (780) 644-6316 (fax)

intake: continuous

website: http://www.norquest.ab.ca/programs/health/pn/pnforinternational.asp

bow valley college

health & community care

contact: mary anne fish

332-6 avenue, se

calgary, ab t2g 4s6

(403) 410-1470 (phone)

intake: january, may, september

website: http://www.bowvalleycollege.ca/courses_programs/hcc/practical_nurse_equiv_program.htm

questions? contact the clpna's registration department directly at giane@clpna.com or (780) 484-8886

good luck!

Issue is that India does not have licensure of the practical nurse, so that takes them out of the running for this right from the start. And if you take the time to read what happened with the RNs that went to Alberta from the Philippines, their training was considered to be the same as the LPN, and not the RN. And what you have posted is only for Alberta, but is not what is happening in most other provinces currently.

Bigger and most important issue is that the LPN license is almost all provinces in Canada are two year programs so the one year programs do not meet their requirements from a start.

Issue is that India does not have licensure of the practical nurse, so that takes them out of the running for this right from the start. And if you take the time to read what happened with the RNs that went to Alberta from the Philippines, their training was considered to be the same as the LPN, and not the RN. And what you have posted is only for Alberta, but is not what is happening in most other provinces currently.

Bigger and most important issue is that the LPN license is almost all provinces in Canada are two year programs so the one year programs do not meet their requirements from a start.

My post on Alberta was just an example. I know all provinces have different requirements. For the rest, you are probably right. With today's advancing knowledge, demand for higher skills and competence, with nursing everybody is kind of moving to the RN with a BSN anyway so...

The practical nurse training even in most states in the US is only for one year, so that does not meet the requirements for licensure there as well. This is a key point that is being left out, unless the program is for two years, it will not meet the requirements for licesure. As far as I remember, Alberta requires more than a one year program for licensure as an LPN.

drgurdev

Has 20 years experience.

Thanks alot for your all replies. It is really helpfull. Just for knowledge our LPN training course is of 2 years & is recognised by Govt.Of India.

These days from India specailly from our state-Punjab,so many trainned Nannies, getting their certificate from International Nanny Association (INA), are going out for job in US & Canada. I wonder is it so easy to get job for them. If that so, i would rather change the course from LPN to Nanny. Any thoughts or replies on this...

Regards to all fellow collegues.

It does not matter that the program is approved by your governnment, the issue is that the US does not issued visas for the LPN, at least legal visas. Anyone that has completed one of these programs and does not already possess a green card or a US passport is coming here on an illegal visa. Plain and simple.

Also does not matter if the training is recognized by your government, the issue is that the US actually requires that one be a first level professional nurse to be able to get a visa for the US, and the Practical Nurse training, whether one year or two years in length is considered a technical or vocational nurse. Also, you do need to be very aware that being given permission to test for one of the NCLEX exams is only a licensing step or formality. It does not give one permission to work in the US.

Other much bigger problem that you may not be aware of is the fact that India is actually retrogressed further back than the other countries, right now the wait is about 7 years plus for someone that is already under petitioning by an employer. Please have a good read on the Visa Bulletin that is put out by the US State Dept each and every month.

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You either have a program where you are doing training for licensed fields, that is what your school is rated for. To wish to change things just so that you can get someone to the US as an unskilled laborer just does not make sense to me and I am very much against it as well. It is just trying to sell people to make money and I am very much against that. If you are a school then you stick to that. Schools and recruiters should not be the same, and need to be unrelated. If you are so concerned with placement, then there are other motives that are behind things and that is not the way that a school should be operated. It is actually not legally permitted in most countries as well.

A school should not be receiving a fee for placement of someone that went thru their program. That takes one out the school business and places them in the recruiting field and do not think that your program has the license to do this by your government.

drgurdev

Has 20 years experience.

first of i must tell you that i'm not a recruiter nor any agent. myself if i have to sell or make money , ive done it by so many ways.i've not come to this forum for questions. my passed out students are doing jobs in us, canada uk australia & lots of other countries since 20 yrs as a rn & bsn.

soon we are collaborating with uk universities for exchange programmes & even upgrading rn to bsn & bsn to msn for students future.

i came to this forum to know about lpn & cna's as to know their future outside india as they are working in india since so many yrs.

if the nurse get better future for them & for their family then i think we have right to know other legal ways to uplift or life style.

if my words are harsh & rude, i'm sorry for that....

anyways thanx for everything.

i'l get back again if i need to get some more information.

thankx. have a worderful life

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This is what you are not understanding at this time, not sure how much clearer that I can make myself. And you did come to ask questions, when you are looking for information, that is the same as asking a question.

There are not shortages in most countries for the LPN, therefore visas are not issued for that job classification. Same thing with the CNA. The UK also has not had the Enrolled Nurse in years either, they only have the RN. The EN would be the same as the LPN.

Please take the time to do some reading on the UK forum about these programs that you are speaking of, and be very aware that the UK actually has a hiring freeze in place, so even if one trains there now, they may be able to get one year of work when they are done, similar to the OPT that is issued in the US, but they are not going to be able to remain and work in the UK after that.

Going to school in a country no longer guarantees that one may be able to stay there and work when they are done. If you look at the Visa Bulletin, you will find that the EB-3 visa category is retrogressed back to 2001/2002. That means for anyone already in the process, the wait is going to be until that time.

Look, I am all for nurses to be able to better themselves. But what is going on in the world right now is not going to be that conducive to anything at the moment. Any nurse can have a wish, but the problem is that many countries have strict visa numbers in place as well; just like the US and many other countries.

For a nurse to be able to come to the US, should say start the process, they need to have the full training already done and be equivalent of a first level professional nurse in your country from the start.

It is not a point of trying to make a better life for someone, but the realities are that there are many more professionals applying for visas in other countries now, and with the economy the way that it is, it is also quite hard to hire a foreign nurse. It is going to be quite sometime before things improve, unfortunately. When you have nurses that are unemployed in quite a few countries, there is no way that any employer can justify bringing over a foreign nurse and hiring them. Just would not make sense or for justifying the expense of it.

And most of those programs with the UK are exchange programs, they do not permit the student to remain there when they are done with their training. Also be aware that if they go for one of these programs, then they are not going to have current work experience as an RN either when they are done, so that will put them with many more issues to face, rather than solving anything.

I understand that you have the students under your care, but the fact remains that things are very tight all over and no matter what you are wishing, it is not going to be happening now. The US already has a back-log to the early part of this decade with those waiting for the visa, when more get added in, it will go back even more or be just as long. The US has just under 10,000 green cards available per year and that is for all professions under the EB-3 category, which is just not nurses, as well as it covers spouses and dependents as well.

I have edited your post above to remove your personal information since we do not permit it to be posted on the forums here.

And to just make my point clearer:

It does not matter what was happening 20 years ago or even 5; your issue is what is happening now and in this timeframe and that is where you are going to have problems.

Visas are not being issued for the UK or any of the other EU countries to work there as an RN. Jobs will go first to those that hold a passport from that country, then to those from other EU countries; then to those from other countries and they must significant experience in the area that has a definite shortage or they will not get the visa. A new grad will not be able to get a visa to work there.

Canada, Australia, as well as NZ all have specific requirements in place and do not have unlimited visas either.

It is also not the responsibility of the new country to take nurses just to improve their lives, etc. Their responsibility is first to their own citizens, and if they are out of work, jobs are going to go to them first. Not someone from another country.

I would recommend that you actually spend quite a bit of time reading on this site and find out what is actually going on around the world in terms of nursing right now. You also have to remember that universities and schools do not issue visas, they have nothing to do with the immigration process.

Schools should never be participating in what their students are going to be doing once they are done with their training there. Job placement is recruitment, pure and simple. Does not matter if it is done thru a school, but it is not actually permitted to be done in most countries.

Do not remember seeing it different from India. Recruiters that work out of India also have huge fees that are demanded for bond before one can be sent to their contract. Most are in the tune of $20,000 US, and the majority never see it again either.

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