for LPN & CNA international nurses

drgurdev · Dec 1, 2008

first of i must tell you that i'm not a recruiter nor any agent. myself if i have to sell or make money , ive done it by so many ways.i've not come to this forum for questions. my passed out students are doing jobs in us, canada uk australia & lots of other countries since 20 yrs as a rn & bsn.

soon we are collaborating with uk universities for exchange programmes & even upgrading rn to bsn & bsn to msn for students future.

i came to this forum to know about lpn & cna's as to know their future outside india as they are working in india since so many yrs.

if the nurse get better future for them & for their family then i think we have right to know other legal ways to uplift or life style.

if my words are harsh & rude, i'm sorry for that....

anyways thanx for everything.

i'l get back again if i need to get some more information.

thankx. have a worderful life

personal information removed from post per the tos of this site.

suzanne4, RN · Dec 1, 2008

This is what you are not understanding at this time, not sure how much clearer that I can make myself. And you did come to ask questions, when you are looking for information, that is the same as asking a question.

There are not shortages in most countries for the LPN, therefore visas are not issued for that job classification. Same thing with the CNA. The UK also has not had the Enrolled Nurse in years either, they only have the RN. The EN would be the same as the LPN.

Please take the time to do some reading on the UK forum about these programs that you are speaking of, and be very aware that the UK actually has a hiring freeze in place, so even if one trains there now, they may be able to get one year of work when they are done, similar to the OPT that is issued in the US, but they are not going to be able to remain and work in the UK after that.

Going to school in a country no longer guarantees that one may be able to stay there and work when they are done. If you look at the Visa Bulletin, you will find that the EB-3 visa category is retrogressed back to 2001/2002. That means for anyone already in the process, the wait is going to be until that time.

Look, I am all for nurses to be able to better themselves. But what is going on in the world right now is not going to be that conducive to anything at the moment. Any nurse can have a wish, but the problem is that many countries have strict visa numbers in place as well; just like the US and many other countries.

For a nurse to be able to come to the US, should say start the process, they need to have the full training already done and be equivalent of a first level professional nurse in your country from the start.

It is not a point of trying to make a better life for someone, but the realities are that there are many more professionals applying for visas in other countries now, and with the economy the way that it is, it is also quite hard to hire a foreign nurse. It is going to be quite sometime before things improve, unfortunately. When you have nurses that are unemployed in quite a few countries, there is no way that any employer can justify bringing over a foreign nurse and hiring them. Just would not make sense or for justifying the expense of it.

And most of those programs with the UK are exchange programs, they do not permit the student to remain there when they are done with their training. Also be aware that if they go for one of these programs, then they are not going to have current work experience as an RN either when they are done, so that will put them with many more issues to face, rather than solving anything.

I understand that you have the students under your care, but the fact remains that things are very tight all over and no matter what you are wishing, it is not going to be happening now. The US already has a back-log to the early part of this decade with those waiting for the visa, when more get added in, it will go back even more or be just as long. The US has just under 10,000 green cards available per year and that is for all professions under the EB-3 category, which is just not nurses, as well as it covers spouses and dependents as well.

I have edited your post above to remove your personal information since we do not permit it to be posted on the forums here.

suzanne4, RN · Dec 1, 2008

And to just make my point clearer:

It does not matter what was happening 20 years ago or even 5; your issue is what is happening now and in this timeframe and that is where you are going to have problems.

Visas are not being issued for the UK or any of the other EU countries to work there as an RN. Jobs will go first to those that hold a passport from that country, then to those from other EU countries; then to those from other countries and they must significant experience in the area that has a definite shortage or they will not get the visa. A new grad will not be able to get a visa to work there.

Canada, Australia, as well as NZ all have specific requirements in place and do not have unlimited visas either.

It is also not the responsibility of the new country to take nurses just to improve their lives, etc. Their responsibility is first to their own citizens, and if they are out of work, jobs are going to go to them first. Not someone from another country.

I would recommend that you actually spend quite a bit of time reading on this site and find out what is actually going on around the world in terms of nursing right now. You also have to remember that universities and schools do not issue visas, they have nothing to do with the immigration process.

suzanne4, RN · Dec 1, 2008

Schools should never be participating in what their students are going to be doing once they are done with their training there. Job placement is recruitment, pure and simple. Does not matter if it is done thru a school, but it is not actually permitted to be done in most countries.

Do not remember seeing it different from India. Recruiters that work out of India also have huge fees that are demanded for bond before one can be sent to their contract. Most are in the tune of $20,000 US, and the majority never see it again either.