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Life Just Sucks Sometimes

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Specializes in Mental Health. Has 30+ years experience.

My Grandmother was born in 1904 and immigrated to America with her family shortly thereafter. When she turned 12, her Mother forced her to drop out of school and work twelve hours a day in a tire factory so the family could pay the bills. When she was 17, her family pressured her to marry a man she didn't love in order to gain financial security. Shortly after she said I do, my Grandmother came to her senses and demanded a divorce. You are reading page 5 of Life Just Sucks Sometimes. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

RetiredTooSoon

Specializes in Retired OR nurse/Tissue bank technician.

Sometimes medication won't help if doctors over prescribe medications. Too much is sometimes worse than none at all. Sometimes the patient is just on the wrong medication or wrong diagnosis.

Most of the time it takes a very long time to come up with the right medication. Like a psychiatrist once told me. "We try and change until we figure it out. Everyone's body works differently."

My psychiatrist has said that if some mental illnesses are untreated or improperly untreated for an extended period of time, the brain can, for lack of a better way of putting it, 'rewire' parts of itself down at the neuronal level so that you are now no longer only dealing with a biochemical disorder, but also a structural disorder. To use an analogy, if the spring that takes the charge from one end of a battery doesn't touch the end, no matter how many batteries you try, you won't get power. But, if you're able to adjust the spring so it does touch the end of the battery, power will probably flow through as soon as you put a battery in.

He said that if healing can begin using therapy, be it talk and/or CBT/DBT or with exposure therapy for phobias or whatever in combination with medications, the brain may be able to rewire itself properly, making medications and other non-medicinal treatments more effective. I was skeptical at first, but have seen and experienced evidence of that.

There's also the kindling theory, particularly in bipolar and schizophrenia-if you've had a campfire and just let it die out on its own, there will be embers underneath that are still hot, making it easier in the morning to get another fire going. With those mental illnesses, the more relapses or episodes one has, the more 'kindling' there is in the brain and over time, it takes less to trigger a new mood swing or relapse.

Situational Depression, Think?

Now back in LPN-to-RN Transition, I almost failed due to medications ie with the Effexor I just didn’t care. (What Me Worry?) Have tapered off and just squeaked through first semester=close call. But I DO believe that medications can help one stop spiraling down and give relief so one can look around/Up and begin to believe that life can be fun. And when I say “fun” it’s using the Greek word eudaimonia, not drunked hedonism.

Okay - so Effexor wasn't a drug that was helpful to you. I believe Effexor to be a life saving medication that takes misery out of peoples lives. I have recovered and felt better while taking this medication, I have tried to come off effexor twice with the result of a feeling of ongoing misery. I cannot take other types of antidepressant medication as they tend to disrupt my heart function. Effexor means I can work and feel content with my life.

My sister finds that Effexor gets rid of her delusional thought patterns and paranoia. But she chooses to live with the symptoms of her brain chemical imbalances because she buys into the stigma and the feeling/idea (promoted and supported by many in this forum 111 members) that she should be able to manage without resorting to medications for help. The brain is an organ and at times it malfunctions just as any other body organ is prone to malfunction. I hate the stigma (idea the people are somehow inadequate) associated with psychiatric symptoms.

Situational Depression, Think?

PS:A Harvard trained psychiatrist I spoke with recently said that Prozac results in serotonin levels greatly ABOVE the levels in the average population, so in fact patients are being hooked on it.

Pain makes man think, thought makes one wise, wisdom makes pain endurable. Tea House of the August Moon

I am not impressed by titles such as "Harvard trained psychiatrist" this means nothing to me!

If you want to impress me - quote solid research data to back up ideas such as those presented here.

Liddle Noodnik

Specializes in Alzheimer's, Geriatrics, Chem. Dep.. Has 30 years experience.

Don't be getting defensive, I don't think anyone here has condemned medication or said it is NEVER the answer. Those who are saying meds aren't necessarily necessary are not making a blanket statement. I for one am sure glad I gave God's way a good honest try. And we aren't just talking a couple weeks here. I had about a year of pastoral counseling and PRACTICING reading and understanding God's word before I made any kind of decision. I had to be sure it was HIM telling me to trust Him, not people. And that's exactly what happened. It was a huge risk, but it was not a decision I made haphazardly. I don't think anybody should just "get religion" and suddenly go off meds. Some people do, but I had to have a relationship with Jesus Christ first, before I knew what He would have me to do.

AGAIN I must emphasize this is MY experience, as are any of the posts in this thread!

Neveranurseagain, RN

Has 26 years experience.

I too, never put down using antidepressants and other drugs. They are there for people who have deficiencies in these chemicals and they work wonderfully for people who need them. But too often I see them as a first resort, or used without counseling or therapy. Sometimes, if you have situational depression, therapy works better or works better in addition to the meds. With therapy, different techniques can be used to help you adjust to your moods and make you more functional with the meds.

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Don't be getting defensive, I don't think anyone here has condemned medication or said it is NEVER the answer. Those who are saying meds aren't necessarily necessary are not making a blanket statement. I for one am sure glad I gave God's way a good honest try. And we aren't just talking a couple weeks here. I had about a year of pastoral counseling and PRACTICING reading and understanding God's word before I made any kind of decision. I had to be sure it was HIM telling me to trust Him, not people. And that's exactly what happened. It was a huge risk, but it was not a decision I made haphazardly. I don't think anybody should just "get religion" and suddenly go off meds. Some people do, but I had to have a relationship with Jesus Christ first, before I knew what He would have me to do.

AGAIN I must emphasize this is MY experience, as are any of the posts in this thread!

Ahhh... But if you gave 'God's plan' a try and it worked you weren't TRULY depressed. When some one is TRULY depressed and they give 'God's plan' a try they end up hurt, or worse drowning their children.

The issue seems to be that some people are just sad and THINK they are depressed. Or they are grieving and THINK they are depressed. In fact, the word depressed gets thrown around WAY to much. Chemical imbalances don't just self correct.

Now being sad sucks and grieving sucks but compared to depression, sadness and grieving are quite fun. That's what depression is. If you were depressed you wouldn't care about 'getting better.' You'd not care about any god. You also wouldn't be making any 'decisions.'

That's what depression is. Lying in the bed, wanting to die, hating yourself, hating any and all gods.

If you are TRULY depressed meds ARE necessary along with counseling. If meds aren't necessary you aren't having a chemical imbalance and you aren't depressed. No matter how many people try to tell you that you are.

Just like all misbehaving kids that don't pay attention aren't ADHD. ;)

As someone that suffer from BP 2 and has experienced 'true' depression and the grief of loss. (I say true depression because I know for a fact that it isn't mere sadness). Medicine IS encessary and trying to say it isn't always necessary is wrong and irresponsible.

With depression medicine is necessary. Otherwise it just isn't depression. It's sadness. I'll gladly trade 10 years of your sadness for 10 minutes of my depression, ;)

Liddle Noodnik

Specializes in Alzheimer's, Geriatrics, Chem. Dep.. Has 30 years experience.

Ahhh... But if you gave 'God's plan' a try and it worked you weren't TRULY depressed. When some one is TRULY depressed and they give 'God's plan' a try they end up hurt, or worse drowning their children.

The issue seems to be that some people are just sad and THINK they are depressed. Or they are grieving and THINK they are depressed. In fact, the word depressed gets thrown around WAY to much. Chemical imbalances don't just self correct.

Now being sad sucks and grieving sucks but compared to depression, sadness and grieving are quite fun. That's what depression is. If you were depressed you wouldn't care about 'getting better.' You'd not care about any god. You also wouldn't be making any 'decisions.'

That's what depression is. Lying in the bed, wanting to die, hating yourself, hating any and all gods.

If you are TRULY depressed meds ARE necessary along with counseling. If meds aren't necessary you aren't having a chemical imbalance and you aren't depressed. No matter how many people try to tell you that you are.

Just like all misbehaving kids that don't pay attention aren't ADHD. ;)

As someone that suffer from BP 2 and has experienced 'true' depression and the grief of loss. (I say true depression because I know for a fact that it isn't mere sadness). Medicine IS encessary and trying to say it isn't always necessary is wrong and irresponsible.

With depression medicine is necessary. Otherwise it just isn't depression. It's sadness. I'll gladly trade 10 years of your sadness for 10 minutes of my depression, ;)

Oh Stanley let me show you my medical records, I have been a full blown bipolar for 20 years! I have been on disability since 03! Prior to that I had to take years at a time off work I was so sick. Not merely sad but absolutely insane.

Now then there is a DIFFERENT question to ask, did that lady who drowned her kids have a TRUE relationship with Jesus Christ? I think not. I think she had a relationship with a man who THOUGHT he had a relationship with Jesus Christ.

No Stanley it is NOT something to mess with. I drive. I take care of patients. No no no it is not something to mess with. It is something to be done under medical and pastoral supervision and it is NOT something to be done w/o a firm grounding in the Word of God. It took two years for this process. It is ongoing. I am still medically monitored and I have set people in my life WHO KNOW ME who WILL NOT let me "get away with" slipping. But the process was not even begun til there was some proof of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. I think we have proof that lady did NOT have fruit of the Holy Spirit.

I will say no more cuz I do not want people jumping off their meds (had I done it that way I'd be hospitalized again!). I'm just saying there is a God and He is all powerful and if it is done right it IS possible. Sure it's a chemical imbalance. God is all over that, too. You don't believe in miracles?

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I will say no more cuz I do not want people jumping off their meds (had I done it that way I'd be hospitalized again!). I'm just saying there is a God and He is all powerful and if it is done right it IS possible. Sure it's a chemical imbalance. God is all over that, too. You don't believe in miracles?

Nah, I don't put stock in miracles. I don't have time for them. Staying alive and functional is a full time job and no offense but I have issue with delusions as it is. If I can't see it then it isn't real.

What we DO now is this.

"Without treatment, however, the natural course of bipolar disorder tends to worsen. Over time a person may suffer more frequent (more rapid-cycling) and more severe manic and depressive episodes than those experienced when the illness first appeared.4 But in most cases, proper treatment can help reduce the frequency and severity of episodes and can help people with bipolar disorder maintain good quality of life."
- NIMH

Now, they underestimate it. The majority of research studies you can find on the net, including those from the NIH show that 25-50% of beeper (Us) attempt suicide at least once. That it almost always progresses without treatment and that as one gets older the symptoms get worse, sometimes even with treatment.

I'm glad your plan is working for you and I hope it works, but historically and statistically it is not sustainable. It used to be pdocs were against these 'alternate' forms of treatment but nowadays many don't even call if you miss an appointment or stop going in to get your lithium levels checked and lithium refilled.

Like I said before, depression does NOT go away untreated. Sure, as a beeper it MAY abate for awhile but IT WILL COME back. It will come back forever. It doesn't stop. 'Miracles' notwithstanding chemical imbalances DO NOT SELF CORRECT.

As to the lady that drowned her kids... Whose to say she didn't have a relationship with God. Who is to say hers wasn't as real as yours? Hecl, I've had delusions that I WAS God. LOL Beepers need to be VERYYYYY careful about what they 'believe.'

I like what my pdoc says... 'You can believe your are anything you believe you are. AFTER you take your medicine.' :bugeyes:

Liddle Noodnik - I am glad you found an answer to your prayers and that you now feel settled and happy.

Feeling sad ... isn't depression. Stress actually helps me to cope in life.... depression seems to hit most when I feel under stimulated mentally.

I have had depression for years... and for years I fought it. I have set myself goals, applied myself to ongoing learning - taken up the challenge of a nursing career even though I am painfully shy.

anyway ....it got too the stage where I couldn't fight the depression any more on my own, it was too hard. I got sick of the battle.

I don't like the idea of other people making judgments about my decision (rightly or wrongly) to take antidepressants.

We need to be very careful about making judgments about other peoples lives and the choices they choose to make in consultation with their doctors.

There is so much stigma attached to psychiatric disorders/ depression .... it is a very sensitive issue.

It is not appropriate to hint or suggest that anyone is less than adequate because they take up the personal choice to use antidepressants.