Nurses General Nursing
Published May 17, 2008
moviefan2000
5 Posts
I would like to ask for your opinion regarding a med issue at an ALF.
What is the better thing to do?
To admit that your facility ran out of a narcotic painkiller for a resident, and you used the pills of another resident (who became allergic and whose pills were waiting to be destroyed), or to admit that you ran out, document that the narc wasn't given, use the PRN ES Tylenol in the meantime, and get a script for the narc and get it in, even if it takes days to get an MD to come in and write it for you? The first option clearly shows, that you borrowed narcotics, the second would give your facility a deficiency, because the med wasn't available.
I would really appreciate your thougths.
Katnip, RN
2,904 Posts
borrowin any med, let alone narcs labeled for another patient is illegal.
TazziRN, RN
6,487 Posts
If the pt was in severe pain and was not helped by the Tylenol, I'd be sending the pt to the ER for pain relief.
RheatherN, ASN, RN, EMT-P
580 Posts
not his/her med, not given. think of what would happen if said pt had a reaction or died or something, its your butt. no way no way. i work on a ms/ortho floor, i have seen nurses do this, no way dood. not me, and i hate when they attempt to take from my drawer, even for non narcs. nope, nada
And keep something in mind: there will be nurses who tell you "Everybody does it". That does not make it right.
nursegreen
179 Posts
I'm sure there are nurses that do it but it is NOT LEGAL. I have done some prn work in a LTC facfility and we had an emergency narc box, so if a pt ran out before their replacement came (usually at 4a) or they were a new admit we would have something to give them as long as they had an order. We also had one for IV, insulin, and antibiotics. Why should you risk your license because the facility isn't properly equiped.
MoopleRN
240 Posts
Tell the truth and shame the devil.
That's an old saying that I think applies here. IOW, give what the MAR allows you to give without borrowing and get the narc refilled ASAP. It's unfortunate the resident may suffer in the meantime. I don't know if I'd send to ER to address the pain.... that would be a judgement call on the spot.
What's important here (besides the resident's pain) is the fact that this scenario is being played out, IMO. Why did the facility run out?!?!? What steps can be taken so it doesn't happen again?
I don't know if I'd send to ER to address the pain.... that would be a judgement call on the spot.
Since intractable pain is considered an urgent/emergent issue, it would be appropriate to send to the ER if it's 4 am, the pt has not slept because of the pain, and the refill order has not been signed by the doc as of yet with no signature in sight.
grandee3
283 Posts
Tazz, I agree with you 100%. It also reminds me of my nursing school days. I was called the "Shipping Queen". Before nursing I was a EMT and everytime teacher would say "what would you do" everybody turned to me and said "ship em"!
I agree... in the scenario you outline. The OP, however, didn't give those details in her/his scenario. Certainly, the resident's pain is a priority and should be addressed. Still, given the circumstances outlined here, I don't know if I'd send the resident to the ED. A pain assessment/other interventions on the nurse's part before transferring to the ED are surely appropiate.
Perhaps I'm missing somethin here.... I work 3rd shift and I've stayed up WAAAAAAY past my bedtime!
Penelope_Pitstop, BSN, RN
2,365 Posts
i don't think there's any point in saying what should have been done, you're asking about what to do next.
be honest. that way you don't have to remember as much. that's what my youth pastor said, and he has never been wrong.
jess
anurseuk
140 Posts
The truth?!?!