Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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8 minutes ago, lMCRN said:

For 10gneedles/netty: we are all adults choosing to not take the vaccine is your choice, taking the vaccine was my choice based on the science etc we are part of the solution not part of the problem. It’s not a two way street we are in a very serious health care crisis that is global. If people were not DYING I could be more open to anti-vaccine points of view but this is not the case and from the current stats appears not being vaccinated is part of the problem. 

The attitude, public shaming and disdain for the hesitant is part of the problem.

Calling people selfish, terrorists, idiots, blaming them for getting sick, is part of the problem.

Referencing only the CDC and studies that echo the CDC's POV while being dismissive of other studies is part of the problem.  

Don't take that to mean it's you specifically doing all that.  This is what's happening. It's a significant reason why people aren't taking the vaccine.

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Yes but we are also in an information war. If you like your side and the partisanship, ignore the opposition and dismiss them. That's your choice. If you want to find common ground and combat the partisanship, and perhaps contribute to the solution, you'll have to recognize other people don't agree with you. 

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Jiveturky: the public attitude, shaming, blaming or whatever is not the problem THEY are not going to take the vaccine anyway, there are several posters here who have cited well written studies over and over, the numbers of unvaccinated individual hospitalized and dying has not phased them what will it take? 

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We vaccinated are contributing to the solution, your unwillingness to take the vaccine was your problem and now is a public health emergency. 

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30 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I wish you showed up to this discussion 40 pages ago!

Yours is a balanced, sensible attitude.

You would think that, wouldn’t you? 
 

30 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

People have been very one sided about this here. They don't seem to realize how much their biased insensitive attitudes cause people to be more resistant to vaccination.

So you keep saying. Over and over and over again. I actually don’t believe that’s accurate. The only ones turned off by my and some other members posts on Covid vaccines are those who were never going to get vaccinated anyway. Those who realize that a vaccine will benefit their and public health, will find a way to get vaccinated depite anything I might post. 

My purpose for posting isn’t to convince anyone to get vaccinated. My only goal is to not let those who spread disinformation and vaccine hesitancy hog all the space. The second people stop trying to disseminate disinformation and spread their unfounded fears and what ifs, I too will stop.

Funny thing is, out of the eight people in real life who have turned to me for advice regarding the vaccines, all eight have subsequently chosen to get vaccinated. The reason it’s not more than eight is that the majority of my family and friends understood that getting vaccinated was the right thing to do and didn’t have to ask for advice. My nursing job isn’t one where I often get the opportunity to discuss vaccines, but if it were I think I’d have a decent success rate there as well. 

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34 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

What other disease do we find it acceptable to socially and publicly "blame" patients for a decision that led to their illness?  Why are we picking COVID?

It's not too challenging to understand why people are skeptical, hesitant, and have doubts.  

Do you genuinely believe people have no reasons to be hesitant?

We blame people for their illnesses because the illnesses are preventable. Because those people are dismissing the sound science to risk illness and death and they are responsible for the vast majority of hospitalizations which are straining our health system.  We blame them because they made the choice in spite of the evidence that vaccination is safe and effective.  

Why covid? It seems self evident that we are focused on covid because covid is responsible our current national health emergency. 

It's not difficult to understand why people are hesitant, doubtful or skeptical.  They feel those things because poorly sourced "concerns" and doubts and worries have been widely elevated across social media. That elevation and perpetuation of those unsupported thoughts and concerns leads to decreased vaccination. Publicly sympathizing with bad reasons to remain unvaccinated in nursing forums adds a veneer of credibility to incredible beliefs and fears. 

I genuinely believe that people are being encouraged to be hesitant...I just don't understand what motivates that. 

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I see a ton of two sided conversations going on here. I'm going to post some examples of people complaining of vaccine injury.

GBS: https://medium.com/@BeautifulFlower/im-pro-vaccine-and-I-have-guillain-barré-syndrome-d82b3443f259

Stroke: 

Nurse who has had severe symptoms from the vaccine but has been unable to work, massive bills, and no recourse for compensation: https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-08-17/severe-covid-vaccine-injuries-help-federal-vaccine-court

To the pro vaxxers. If someone gave you these stories,

A)Wouldyou tell them those people are lying and there's no evidence? Would you tell them to

B) get the vaccine anyway because the risk of covid are greater than the risk of the vaccine injury, but it's good to be aware of the risks?

C) Or would you say the phrase "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE! GET THE JAB! SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE!" 

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4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I see a ton of two sided conversations going on here. I'm going to post some examples of people complaining of vaccine injury.

GBS: https://medium.com/@BeautifulFlower/im-pro-vaccine-and-I-have-guillain-barré-syndrome-d82b3443f259

Stroke: 

 

Good information, good to consider.  Posters here are going to pretty much blame his hx of afib. 

And fairly, that has to be considered.  What will be interesting is to see if the vaccine exacerbated his situation or not.

 

This is evidence why I say people should talk to their doctor first.  I don't understand why people get hot about that and think it's "absurd" to do so.

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39 minutes ago, lMCRN said:

Jiveturky: the public attitude, shaming, blaming or whatever is not the problem THEY are not going to take the vaccine anyway, there are several posters here who have cited well written studies over and over, the numbers of unvaccinated individual hospitalized and dying has not phased them what will it take? 

BULL!

Fine example of what I'm talking about, that's the wrong attitude.

I have talked to DOZENS of people who told me stories of how they were unsure or hesitant, and became more so thanks to everything I just mentioned.  

These are people who could have been educated about the vaccine and had their concerns alleviated but nooooooo

Yes IMCRN there are going to be people that outright refuse no matter what who may someday prove to have needed it.  and that's a shame.

So many medical professionals have such contempt for the unvaccinated and are unwilling to see any perspective other than their own that they're DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY from getting it with their attitudes and comments. 

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5 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

To the pro vaxxers. If someone gave you these stories,

A)Wouldyou tell them those people are lying and there's no evidence? Would you tell them to

B) get the vaccine anyway because the risk of covid are greater than the risk of the vaccine injury, but it's good to be aware of the risks?

C) Or would you say the phrase "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE! GET THE JAB! SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE!" 

Have you ever counseled patients in the risks and benefits of vaccination and obtained informed consent to immunize? 

A) you give patients the information that is developed for the vaccines.  That includes the known risks and the expected benefits.  The patient chooses.  Your personal opinion is irrelevant.  

B) you present the information about risk and benefit and the CDC/public health recommendation for the vaccine.  The patient decides. 

C) the science and data and expert analysis indicates that the vaccines are safe and effective...safer than gambling with a dangerous and highly contagious virus.

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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Have you ever counseled patients in the risks and benefits of vaccination and obtained informed consent to immunize? 

A) you give patients the information that is developed for the vaccines.  That includes the known risks and the expected benefits.  The patient chooses.  Your personal opinion is irrelevant.  

B) you present the information about risk and benefit and the CDC/public health recommendation for the vaccine.  The patient decides. 

C) the science and data and expert analysis indicates that the vaccines are safe and effective...safer than gambling with a dangerous and highly contagious virus.

You realize I know what you're doing right?

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14 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

You realize I know what you're doing right?

Providing you with the public health recommendations and credible sources to support the reality that the vaccines are safe and effective and necessary If we are to get past this pandemic is what I'm doing.  Countering misinformation with facts and data is what I'm doing. Pushing back against unfounded fears and concerns which encourage vaccine hesitancy is what I'm doing.  It's not clear that you do know. I was hopeful for a moment when you connected with the reality that the danger of autoimmune issues are greater following covid infection not covid vaccination. 

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