Johns Hopkins Entry into Nursing (MSN) Fall 2021

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Hi Everyone,

I wanted to start a thread for the Johns Hopkins Entry into Nursing MSN program for August 2021 applicants. I started my application this week, aiming to get it in well before the November 1st deadline . Anyone else??

Hi Everyone,

I applied on nursingcas before the January deadline and it says that my application is verified for JHU. Yet I have received no correspondence from the school itself about my application. I assume that as long as it says verified on nursingcas I am fine? Is it correct that their is no application portal through JHU to track my application and it is all 100% through nursing cas? Thanks!

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1 hour ago, Derekrex said:

Hi Everyone,

I applied on nursingcas before the January deadline and it says that my application is verified for JHU. Yet I have received no correspondence from the school itself about my application. I assume that as long as it says verified on nursingcas I am fine? Is it correct that their is no application portal through JHU to track my application and it is all 100% through nursing cas? Thanks!

That's correct. Everything should be on nursing CAS, and if you're verified on there you should be fine. You'll receive a decision from JHU via email ?

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Same here! I applied for the January 1st deadline and haven't heard anything back yet either

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23 minutes ago, EmmyM203 said:

Same here! I applied for the January 1st deadline and haven't heard anything back yet either

I am impatiently waiting!! Less than 9 more days and it will be March!!

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For those who have been accepted, has anyone done the COPE Health Scholars program? Do you recommend it? What are your thoughts? 

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On 2/17/2021 at 11:17 AM, sarahrebecca said:

Thank you for your letting me know all of this. The 22 month ELMSN program is definitely appealing to me because it would jump start me on my ultimate goal, which is a DNP in PMH. I agree you have to put in the time. I just worry about the massive amount of debt I would be in, hoping that the degree and its clinical experience may someday translate to paying off all of that debt. One good thing is that where I currently live, which is San Francisco, both RNs and NPs make more than anywhere else in the country. I know it may come off as crass, but the financial aspect is a very big deal. I’m almost 15 years after college so I worry about that!

@sarahrebecca believe me, I understand where you're coming from as I'm 20 years after college! You'd be insane not to think about the practical aspect of affording the financial burden of going back to school. California pays nurses pretty well compared to other states but just be prepared, you may find it a lot harder to find a job as a new graduate nurse there hence the reason many of us found jobs out of CA to gain 2-4 years of experience before moving back home. Many of my fellow RN resident peers here in Seattle are from CA. None of us were able to get jobs back home. I'm not saying there haven't been the occasional handful of JHU nursing school students who do get lucky and find a job back home but it's not easy. And having a shiny degree from JHU, makes no difference at all as I can attest to the few nurses I know back home who landed a RN residency job after graduating from a state public school. I'd be curious to find out whether medical facilities actively recruit and hire NPs who have no professional nursing experience. I Have heard of one person who went straight into her DNP right after gaining her ELMSN degree. I wonder if she found it hard to get an NP position without having actually practiced as a nurse. . . Most dnp programs want to see at least 1 year of professional nursing practice. There are a few programs that will allow you to still apply without it.  Personally, I feel like you'll get a lot more out of your DNP education having at least practiced for 1 year to enhance and provide critical thinking/reflection on the DNP curriculum that you're learning. This is coming from a nursing student who graduated with honors only to find myself struggling with a steep learning curve in applying and tweaking nursing knowledge with actual practice. All those signs and symptoms you memorize with various pathophysiology of common diseases become much more easier to recognize and understand when you see it in real patients, many of whom have multiple chronic diseases so presentation can be a bit different than textbook definitions.

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On 2/17/2021 at 11:11 AM, sarahrebecca said:

This was helpful to know that schools are moving to Entry MSN programs! I am also drawn to the amount of clinical Experience Johns Hopkins states to offer, but a little discouraged by @RN Imposter’s experience. I hope this is not the norm.

You'll get a lot of "clinical hours" but how those hours are spent are rather low quality in terms of getting actual skills practice. You should look up UW's program. THey only accept a small cohort (20-30 students) but from the RN residents I talked to who graduated there, they truly received quality clinical hours from their program because of the much smaller cohort size, student-instructor ratio, and they have mandatory skills checklists for every clinical rotation to basically hold instructors and preceptors accountable to making sure you at least had a chance to practice each of the skills during your rotation. Quality vs quantity of clinical hours is what you should aim for. I wish I had waited an extra year and completed their additional biochem prereq and applied there rather than being impatient and just going with early acceptance into JHU. Just my personal thoughts. I'm sure there are JHU grads who felt perfectly fine given their previous healthcare background prior to nursing school. I came from a business admin. background. 

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On 2/18/2021 at 3:39 PM, sarahrebecca said:

Thank you for writing this. I would love to go to JHU and there are pros and cons to every program. The opportunities given by simply being at JHU I would imagine would be very helpful and lucrative. You're right, we should be proud of our decision to apply and if accepted, to attend. I applied to Johns Hopkins because it is one of the foremost, leading medical centers in the country.

I've also applied to an ELMSN program that you graduate from as a CNS in your chosen emphasis. For me, this would be psych. If anyone has insight as to board certification as a CNS, it would be so helpful to know what process is like, especially since my understanding is that PMH-CNS certification is or has been phased out.

I think "negativity" is being superimposed upon reality. Yes, for everyone this is a deeply personal decision and for the record, I proudly accepted my JHU SON acceptance for the same reasons you just stated: being ranked #1, having impeccable research accolades, top ratings as a hospital and medical school, expert faculty known in their fields of research.  Just know that all of that is wonderful and I am not contesting those things. Just know that all of those things do not weigh heavy in your actual end goal of landing that job as an entry level nurse. By the way, I did conduct 2 research jobs while I was in the school and it did not factor into my landing a RN residency position AT ALL. No one cared about my research or asked questions about it in my interviews and quite frankly, my current preceptor could care less when I suggested better alternatives to doing a certain skill for our assigned patient based on my research. It actually made her more irritated and affected feedback to my RN residency manager and unit supervisor and from then on, I learned to keep my mouth shut. But yes, enjoy your 100K debt for landing the same entry level RN position as someone who has equal skills and qualifications who went to a regular school at less than half the price. Good luck!

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3 minutes ago, RN Imposter said:

I think "negativity" is being superimposed upon reality. Yes, for everyone this is a deeply personal decision and for the record, I proudly accepted my JHU SON acceptance for the same reasons you just stated: being ranked #1, having impeccable research accolades, top ratings as a hospital and medical school, expert faculty known in their fields of research.  Just know that all of that is wonderful and I am not contesting those things. Just know that all of those things do not weigh heavy in your actual end goal of landing that job as an entry level nurse. By the way, I did conduct 2 research jobs while I was in the school and it did not factor into my landing a RN residency position AT ALL. No one cared about my research or asked questions about it in my interviews and quite frankly, my current preceptor could care less when I suggested better alternatives to doing a certain skill for our assigned patient based on my research. It actually made her more irritated and affected feedback to my RN residency manager and unit supervisor and from then on, I learned to keep my mouth shut. But yes, enjoy your 100K debt for landing the same entry level RN position as someone who has equal skills and qualifications who went to a regular school at less than half the price. Good luck!

Thanks for this! I personally find all of the information that you have provided invaluable. Rather than only hearing the positives about schools, I do appreciate hearing the negatives so I can make an informed decision. All of your comments have been extremely eye opening. Thanks so much! 

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25 minutes ago, RN Imposter said:

I think "negativity" is being superimposed upon reality. Yes, for everyone this is a deeply personal decision and for the record, I proudly accepted my JHU SON acceptance for the same reasons you just stated: being ranked #1, having impeccable research accolades, top ratings as a hospital and medical school, expert faculty known in their fields of research.  Just know that all of that is wonderful and I am not contesting those things. Just know that all of those things do not weigh heavy in your actual end goal of landing that job as an entry level nurse. By the way, I did conduct 2 research jobs while I was in the school and it did not factor into my landing a RN residency position AT ALL. No one cared about my research or asked questions about it in my interviews and quite frankly, my current preceptor could care less when I suggested better alternatives to doing a certain skill for our assigned patient based on my research. It actually made her more irritated and affected feedback to my RN residency manager and unit supervisor and from then on, I learned to keep my mouth shut. But yes, enjoy your 100K debt for landing the same entry level RN position as someone who has equal skills and qualifications who went to a regular school at less than half the price. Good luck!

I relate, this is exactly how I feel about my Smith education. I'm soooooo grateful to have had studied at Smith - my education was absolutely phenomenal, but it had no bearing on job opportunities. Granted I graduated in 2007, so terrible timing.

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42 minutes ago, RN Imposter said:

You'll get a lot of "clinical hours" but how those hours are spent are rather low quality in terms of getting actual skills practice. You should look up UW's program. THey only accept a small cohort (20-30 students) but from the RN residents I talked to who graduated there, they truly received quality clinical hours from their program because of the much smaller cohort size, student-instructor ratio, and they have mandatory skills checklists for every clinical rotation to basically hold instructors and preceptors accountable to making sure you at least had a chance to practice each of the skills during your rotation. Quality vs quantity of clinical hours is what you should aim for. I wish I had waited an extra year and completed their additional biochem prereq and applied there rather than being impatient and just going with early acceptance into JHU. Just my personal thoughts. I'm sure there are JHU grads who felt perfectly fine given their previous healthcare background prior to nursing school. I came from a business admin. background. 

@RN Imposter I so relate - The chem requirements were one of the reasons I didn't apply to UW, and the other being that the deadline was too early for me to get my recs in order. Having already taken Intro to Chem already, I was not up for at least one, most likely two semesters of Gen Chem at my community college, and then O-Chem. My partner, an organic chem college professor, told me I would drown. I also come from a business (software) background but have spent many years as a counselor for reproductive health, DV, and child abuse prevention non-profits. I now regret not doing a CNA program. With two schools left to hear from, I'm considering whether or not I will reapply to nursing school. I had no idea 4 schools was a small number to apply to and that it was sooooo competitive. Anyway, I very much appreciate your feedback. I wouldn't have known about any of the things you wrote if I wasn't in this forum. It will help me to ask better questions when/if I get accepted to any schools, but especially JHU.

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On 2/22/2021 at 5:45 PM, sarahrebecca said:

I had no idea 4 schools was a small number to apply to and that it was sooooo competitive.

I'm with you... I only applied to 3 schools and as decisions are coming out in the next few weeks I'm so scared I may have screwed myself over. ?

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