Thx for all the helpful advice I have had so far on this forum.
I have had my share of rejection right after the interview. Still, I also have heard that there are situations wherein the New Grad RNs receive job offers right after the interview just ended. Since I've set up my appointments for other interviews for 2nd-choice hospitals, I have heard that some hospitals offer the job right after the interview and ask the interviewees to either accept it right away or no job offer no more. I'm just wondering how to react to it? I mean, I have high hopes for my 1st choice hospital but still insecured enough to yearn for an acceptance from other hospitals. Of course, I don't want to risk losing an acceptance from hospitals that accept me but what if my 1st choice hospital will accept me later on? How do you react to this kinda situation?
In short, I want to know what to do if your 2nd choice hospitals demand that you either accept or reject the job right on the spot while you're still waiting for results from your 1st choice hospital and you have very high hopes for your first choice?
If pushed I would accept.. but never sign anything.. If pushed to sign, then you definately need time. Why do you think you would need to sign anything? Only time I ever had to sign is when I got paid $$$ to relocate and had a yr commitment.. but that was after job offer. And not too much of that happening in this economy.
You can always change your mind if other offers come in but it is not jumping to accept a job offer when you are the one out looking for the job.
They should give you the opportunity to discuss it with significant people in your life. At least one day. Then I would cal your 1st choice and tell them that you have an offer on the table but that their hospital is your 1st choice. Is there any way they could give you a decision.
I am in a similar situation. I accepted a position for a new grad in a unit I do not want. When I went back in after the interview, I had a to sign a commitment stating if I leave after my "internship" is completed, I will have to repay them $10,000 for the cost of the "internship." I am supposed to start April 17th so I am hoping something else turns up in the meantime so I can rescind my offer. I felt tricked because this was never mentioned. But I also need a job so I am stuck.
I am in a similar situation. I accepted a position for a new grad in a unit I do not want. When I went back in after the interview, I had a to sign a commitment stating if I leave after my "internship" is completed, I will have to repay them $10,000 for the cost of the "internship." I am supposed to start April 17th so I am hoping something else turns up in the meantime so I can rescind my offer. I felt tricked because this was never mentioned. But I also need a job so I am stuck.
Most hospitals have to limit the number of new grads they hire because it is an expensive process to train them. New grad orientations are 3-12 months and during that entire time an extra nurse has to be paid, versus hiring an experienced nurse where the orientation may only be a few months (or weeks depending on the unit).
Why do you feel tricked? Leaving directly after orientation is shady at best and all they've done is formally described it in a contract. If it was okay to leave after being trained, other facilities would stop offering new RN positions and just let everyone else train them and absorb the cost.
I certainly wouldn't sign anything legally binding (like repaying orientation costs).. While I see why hospitals want to do this, I also think it's kind of crap because if you end up working for someplace that is totally toxic or a situation where you feel your license is at stake you should be able to walk away without owing a penny. Especially if you're in an "At Will" state.
I certainly wouldn't sign anything legally binding (like repaying orientation costs).. While I see why hospitals want to do this, I also think it's kind of crap because if you end up working for someplace that is totally toxic or a situation where you feel your license is at stake you should be able to walk away without owing a penny. Especially if you're in an "At Will" state.
And people say there is no longer a need for unions! We are moving backwards when it comes to employers. People are no longer getting yearly cost of living or merrit raises, benefits are being reduced or eliminated all together, working conditions are going downhill, expectations are becoming higher and higher, and they CAN DO IT because employees are expendable. Someone needs to look out for the employees.. it's freaking ridiculous.
I am in a similar situation. I accepted a position for a new grad in a unit I do not want. When I went back in after the interview, I had a to sign a commitment stating if I leave after my "internship" is completed, I will have to repay them $10,000 for the cost of the "internship." I am supposed to start April 17th so I am hoping something else turns up in the meantime so I can rescind my offer. I felt tricked because this was never mentioned. But I also need a job so I am stuck.
How long after the intern period do you have to stay? Honestly, if they want a long term commitment out of you, you should be getting something out of it too (other than just a job).
The problem I have with this is that if they decide they don't like you, they can fire you at anytime during the contract and not have to pay you a dime but if you want to leave you have to hand over 10k? Screw that. A contract should go both ways.. with a commintment for them to pay out your contract in the even that they lay you off. Of course, companies don't do that unless you're a big time CEO and have a golden parachute written into your contract.
Again- this is why there needs to be some oversight (like unions) who negotiate for the workers. It takes a all or most employees to create worker friendly contracts.. United we stand.
I totally agree! I have to stay one year regardless of the environment. The internship is 3 months (so I have to stay one year and 3 months). It is an at will state so I am sooo worried about getting terminated! I would not only 1. not have a job, 2. have to pay back a TON of money, 3. have a problem finding another position. I def agree about the unions. I feel the internship is not worth $10,000. My preceptor is not seeing an additional penny for taking on a new graduate so I feel she is getting jipped too.
@nlmoore
So true! I would not have the position if I did not sign.
@bhanson
Yes, the new graduate spots are limited and I am very lucky to have one of the three new grad spots but... the program does not cost $10,000 for me to train... I feel tricked because this was never mentioned in the interview nor posted as a new graduate position/internship when I applied for a different position. I would not leave after the internship but I feel the contract should go both ways. It was very awkward when I completed the paperwork because I did not have the opportunity to discuss this with my significant other.
Thanks everyone! I feel better knowing others would not have signed. I def regret it....Fingers crossed something else happens in the meantime!
If they terminated you, they would not be able to collect on the money. Only if you left early.
Unions would be very nice but look at auto makers, they are losing all their unions and the unions being greedy kinda caused problems(I am not against unions) with American car makers.. Not all there fault by any means but just saying they did not really help the workers when push came down to it.
I do not think unions will ever be big in the US ever again.
If you are sure signing was a mistake and you want out go to lawyer now, DO NOT START work and I bet they can get you out.
But if you need the job,, try to be positive and optimistic about it. Learn everything and anything they offer to you, try to get ACLS and any of those sorts of things. If it is one year plus 3 months look at it as an extension of your education. Maybe you will be surprised and enjoy your job..Best of luck>
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I'd take it and accept if for what it is...a job. Try it out for a few weeks and if it's not up to par with what you expected, keep it anyway all the while looking for a position with one of the hospitals you really want..but then again, even if you get what you want, it will probably be no different from the immediate hire, only thing different is the name of the facility..like calvin klein and levi jeans...they're both jeans, ones just 500$ more than the other!!!
Here is the problem though, without the union to prevent such unfair contracts (and basically indentured servitude) employers will continue to require such commitments without offering any pathway "out" (other than $10,000) for the employee at the same time (and I'm sure they have this written into the language) allowing themselves to terminate the contract at any time for any reason. (It is an AT WILL state so legally they can do that)... How is there any protection/fairness to the employee? People are so desperate for jobs, if someone doesn't sign or asks or tries to negotiate the terms of the contract they'll just rescind the offer and move on to the next candidate. Now if they offered a signing bonus, I can see requiring a payback if the commitment isn't met but not for the 'honor' of working for them.
We keep allowing companies to do whatever the hell they want things are only going to get worse. Salary with no overtime, no differentials and required holidays, nights, weekends w/ no extra pay? There is a slippery slope with this economy with lots of people sucking up and allowing employers to do whatever they want and change whatever they want. It's not going to get better if people don't start looking for support.
In a couple of years when this comes to a head, don't say I didn't tell you so.
BrookeeLou_RN
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If pushed I would accept.. but never sign anything.. If pushed to sign, then you definately need time. Why do you think you would need to sign anything? Only time I ever had to sign is when I got paid $$$ to relocate and had a yr commitment.. but that was after job offer. And not too much of that happening in this economy.
You can always change your mind if other offers come in but it is not jumping to accept a job offer when you are the one out looking for the job.