Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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I’m saddened by the notion that many democrats are not supporting Biden and Harris now kind of having this notion they made a big mistake to elect? have heard talk his age reflects on his job performance and still no one is backing there decisions up.
mid Biden can do the job surely Cindy McCain can get the job done as well she can run companies has the mindset for inclusion isn’t afraid to standup to hate or bigotry and overall a Strong leader! Overall wish her success with her career and know she can’t be bought seems like these days all politicians are for sale
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Blacks can’t use the internet is the worst lie I have heard! Who said that and please remember this voter fraud was provoked only due to the fact black and brown people showed up at the polls and another disregard to count the votes equally another tactic to say voter fraud because of what we already know
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Envy and jealousy are seperate demons and when Mr Trump said that John McCain was not a POW and that was a hoax showed me how small minded he was. There was no hoax he didn’t pretend to blast off to Vietnam have limbs broken to have his teeth knocked out to embarrass his father by writing a manifesto in where he revealed crimes against humanity that were not supposed to be made public. All these things really happened to him and he took his experiences both in life and military marrying a powerhouse heiress to take on Washington they are the classiest examples of true American royalty if we had a monarch and just as I respect President Obama and Michelle equally support the McCains regardless of the party they belong to that seems to be the separatism on this platform if you read closely many of us agree in some form or fashion but the labels or being a repulblican and democrat or liberal divides us so again let’s treat water carefully throwing out labels to defend or support just do away with them all together
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Watching Downtown Abbey shows the manners in our society compared to that of the British in no shape or form would they storm the palaces and demand any such behavior they must look at our society as wicked
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2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:
It's difficult to read your post when all you talk about is the republican party, not just Trump hell bent of "tearing down our democracy". Making the insinuation that being Republican makes one complicit in "undoing our republic" because "it isn't just Trump anymore" Then accuse everyone else of hyperbole while simultaneously suggesting the very half our democratic republic is some how a threat to our constitution. Probably to convince as many people as possible so they vote in a certain way
What you cite is mostly opinion in which you present as facts in the absolute, and highly slanted to the left. Anything you cite I can refute with another highly slanted media source. There for I prefer to state my opinions and explain why they arewhat they are. I subscribe to WAPO, I watch news media slanted both ways. What I find is partisan garbage and in my opinion because of the state of our media, there is no longer true objective journalism. Media sources have always been bias to a political side but the fact they suggest that they are not, and only reporting the facts, separates them from the original media reporting of the past.
Media has become and extention of the political party and some are more like activist. Due to this I make my own opinions and I'm sorry I cannot reference every single thing I have read and seen out of my brain.
The difference is, I usually always say "in my opinion" and accept that my opinion isn't the end all be all and have the ability to change my mind. The way you present yourself is that you are the decider and chief of all media quality and you have the ability to decide what is true or not true. Almost every reply is a derogatory reference to someone's "media source", "right wing rhetoric......" " strawman....".
If you are really concerned for our democratic republic, do you not think perhaps changing your insulting way of communication while trying to assert you ideals would have a better effect if you were at least respectful?
I'm telling you right now, your approach is is not effective. It only serves to make people dig their heels in deeper and is probably a determent to your cause. Even members of the same political side have made a point. I've seen you do the same thing to them when you disagree with what they say. What is it you are trying to accomplish by behaving that way?
This has derailed, and I'm sure we are both violating TOS so go-ahead with you usual rebuttal and we both need to move on.
Save your lectures on civility in online discussions... it implies that you believe you've been respectful toward me.
My approach in discussion is not effective in your opinion. I wonder though, do you believe that my objective is to convince you of something? I think that I've adequate challenged your opinions and claims with data, evidence, articles which provide background and context...
Yes, when people have believed things without evidence they will often double down when confronted with truth, facts or evidence. That doesn't mean that we should stop presenting facts or evidence.
If you don't want to talk about the lie that Trump used to convince conservative Americans that he didn't lose the 2020 election or how dangerous this political movement based upon that lie is then you are in the wrong thread. This thread is about that threat to our republic.
Save your lectures on civility in online discussions... it implies that you believe you've been respectful toward me.
My approach in discussion is not effective in your opinion. I wonder though, do you believe that my objective is to convince you of something? I think that I've adequate challenged your opinions and claims with data, evidence, articles which provide background and context...
Yes, when people have believed things without evidence they will often double down when confronted with truth, facts or evidence. That doesn't mean that we should stop presenting facts or evidence.
If you don't want to talk about the lie that Trump used to convince conservative Americans that he didn't lose the 2020 election or how dangerous this political movement based upon that lie is then you are in the wrong thread. This thread is about that threat to our republic.
It's actually about the Jan.6 committee. You seem to have self appointed yourself as the dictator in this thread. Perhaps you should start a thread specifically discussing this "dangerous political movement". I think you kind of already did.
You're purpose I believe is to debate. Debate is to get the other side to see as you see. The object is not collaboration. It's really a win or lose situation. Except both debaters walk away with not having some new information to consider, they both walk away feeling like they "won" the debate. And maybe if their lucky, they have swayed some of opinions of the spectators. The lastvtime I checked this thread isn't dedicated to debate.
Good. You go on calling out stuff you feel is part of this "dangerous political movement, that isn't just Trump anymore " and I will continue to call out the hypocrisy. I'll Voice my opinion and you can go on radically defaming Republicans and any one who's opinion is different than yours.
Perhaps we should move on for respect for our fellow members?
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6 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
It's actually about the Jan.6 committee. You seem to have self appointed yourself as the dictator in this thread. Perhaps you should start a thread specifically discussing this "dangerous political movement". I think you kind of already did.
You're purpose I believe is to debate. Debate is to get the other side to see as you see. The object is not collaboration. It's really a win or lose situation. Except both debaters walk away with not having some new information to consider, they both walk away feeling like they "won" the debate. And maybe if their lucky, they have swayed some of opinions of the spectators. The lastvtime I checked this thread isn't dedicated to debate.
Good. You go on calling out stuff you feel is part of this "dangerous political movement, that isn't just Trump anymore " and I will continue to call out the hypocrisy. I'll Voice my opinion and you can go on radically defaming Republicans and any one who's opinion is different than yours.
Perhaps we should move on for respect for our fellow members?
Nah...I don't need to move on. I do wish that you would provide some new information to discuss. In the meantime I'll just point out that it is, indeed, Republican Trump supporters who tried to stop the transfer of power on January 6 2021 and it's Trump Republicans who continue to toy with Trump's lie in order to change voting laws to allow them to undermine popular votes. I've provided articles discussing this phenomenon. Wouldn't you like to talk about how these things are related and how they threaten our republic?
I don't think there's evidence that he "conspired for a riot". But what is very clear is that almost all of his appointees, advisors (except Giuliani) and even his own daughter tried to tell him the election was legitimate and yet and he persisted with the lie, and put tremendous pressure on Pence, thus causing the "stop the steal" protest in the first place. To me this is his unforgivable action. This is what is loud and clear.
To this day the lie is so entrenched and even politicians are winning elections supporting this lie.
The lie was so entrenched that he was able to raise 250 million dollars to a fund that didn't exist. (We've talked about this already)
When people are duped, it's quite difficult for them to back up and say "hey I've been duped and Trump lost the election", they continue to believe in the lie. Shaking my head.
Fair enough but we already knew this. So what's the point of this committee? I thought there was to be clear evidence that he organized and plotted the riot and that he personally encited the riot. In my opinion the purpose was to just remind everyone for the upcoming elections and to try and prevent him from running in 2024. Presented in a formal way but without any push back. I meant that I do hope they charge him criminally. However they never intended to. Because then he would be able to provide a rebuttle.
I will admit he acted disgracefully. He could have went about his beliefs in a different way. He made himself look foolish. No doubt about it. The images of violence were unsettling. As is violence and should not be tolorated by anyone for any political belief. I think all politicians need to be more vocal against violence and hold each other to the same accountability. However they won't. Was it 23 or 27? Democrats voted against the Supreme Court Justice protection bill. I gotta say it, if it was in reverse and a Democrat Justice's life was threatened.......Deflection? Maybe, but am I wrong?
Nah...I don't need to move on. I do wish that you would provide some new information to discuss. In the meantime I'll just point out that it is, indeed, Republican Trump supporters who tried to stop the transfer of power on January 6 2021 and it's Trump Republicans who continue to toy with Trump's lie in order to change voting laws to allow them to undermine popular votes. I've provided articles discussing this phenomenon. Wouldn't you like to talk about how these things are related and how they threaten our republic?
Yes. You've made hints to your angst of the electoral college........
They did? Perhaps you can provide some info from the committee that they were actually trying to stop the transition? It was a terrible shamefully protest that turned violent. That's it and nothing thus far has proven otherwise.
What was their plan? Hold everyone in congress hosage in the rotunda until Biden said he lost? Hold their breaths until they stayed Trump run? There was no military brought in by Trump,no heavy inserectionist type weapons bybthe rioters. Who in the right mind would attempt to over throw the US government without at least some weapons of war? Fantastical conspiracy theory.
My source? The Jan.6 committee that has failed to bring any evidence that we already didn't know. No criminal charges for him? After the tried to overthrow a US election?
The only new thing I learned was Trump acted worse than I thought and Guliani was drunk LOL.
The people who could rebut the information presented in front of the committee are refusing to testify. Bannon, McCarthy, Biggs, Brooks, Meadows, Jordan, and others have been invited and subpoenaed.
The people who could rebut the information presented in front of the committee are refusing to testify. Bannon, McCarthy, Biggs, Brooks, Meadows, Jordan, and others have been invited and subpoenaed.
When we take back the House this fall we'll continue the hearings and we'll subpoena and frog march Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff in front of the committees along with Biden's crack head son.
Fair enough but we already knew this. So what's the point of this committee?
I suppose you're right and I surrender. To me it's a sad state of affairs that we know so much and people don't care. Trump is still out there selling out rallies, spending his millions that people donate to him, giving out endorsements.
There is no point.
I don't know about the vote for protection for the Supreme Court Justices. So I suppose you're right.
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I’m saddened by the notion that many democrats are not supporting Biden and Harris now kind of having this notion they made a big mistake to elect? have heard talk his age reflects on his job performance and still no one is backing there decisions up.
mid Biden can do the job surely Cindy McCain can get the job done as well she can run companies has the mindset for inclusion isn’t afraid to standup to hate or bigotry and overall a Strong leader! Overall wish her success with her career and know she can’t be bought seems like these days all politicians are for sale