Is this typical of a nursing school? Arbitrary failings, and discrimination

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In my school a fairly large number of students, including me, have been failed in our clinical courses by arbitrary decisions made by instructors. By "arbitrary decisions" I mean that the instructors are given unrestricted power to fail students without the use of predetermined standards.

In addition, these decisions seem to affect males disproportionately. This is just based on my observations, not statistics, but males appear to make up 10-20% of the students at the school while more than 90% of those failed in these arbitrary decisions are men.

I'm pretty sure gender discrimination is at work here, particularly considering that this school decides which students to admit purely based on academic standards (meaning that the disproportionate number of men being failed cannot be explained away by suggesting that men are simply weaker than women, academically speaking.) All students at this school have about a 4.0 GPA at the start of the program.

In my own experience, the instructor who failed me was very unprofessional, rude, and nasty towards me. This behavior started literally on day one, which I think disproves any possible claim that her ill will towards me was based on anything other than some sort of prejudice. She proceeded to seek out opportunities to misrepresent events in order to make me look bad, presumably so she could build a case against me to fail me.

As an example, on the paperwork with which she officially failed me in the course she vaguely stated that she had a conversation with the RN I was working with that led her to the conclusion that I "lacked initiative." What is interesting is that she made that same accusation to me in person moments after the conversation in question (which I estimate lasted about 15 seconds.) When she made the accusation to me in person, I asked her to clarify what exactly she was basing this assumption on, and she stated that the conclusion that I "lacked initiative" was based on the fact that it had come up in this conversation with the RN that a procedure had been done on my patient and that the RN had done the procedure instead of me.

I only had one RN that I was working with that day, I only had one patient that day, and my patient only had one procedure. At the time of that procedure, the RN asked the patient, "Would you rather have a female [the RN] perform this procedure instead of a male [me]?" And the patient said, "Sure. I guess I'd prefer a female." So this was an example of explicit gender discrimination that was actually cited as a reason for my instructor failing me.

I find the arbitrary nature of these decisions strange. These decisions are made against people who have invested years of their time and thousands of dollars of their money and against people who have succeeded at every step of the way in their educational career, and it is odd to me that all of their hard work can be thrown away purely based upon what appears to be an individual's personal dislike of them.

Can anyone relate to these kinds of experiences? Is this typical of nursing schools?


Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU.

Unfortunately, this is a problem. I was flunked by a teacher who lied and lied through her teeth to fail me. The other clinical instructors I've had have told me they don't understand how she could have failed me. It was bs.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

In EVERY discipline, not just nursing, faculty members are charged with the responsibility to evaluate student performance and determine who moves forward in the discipline and who does not. In the hard sciences, a person's career is determined by the student's ability to win the sponsorship of a senior researcher and be welcomed into their research lab as a member of their team. In some disciplines, it's the students ability to win a prestigious internship. etc. etc.

Sometimes, those decisions are made in a totally fair manner and everyone agrees with the choices that were made. In other cases they are not. In some cases, the decisions are made based on whether or not the pretty young graduate student is willing to have sex with the professor or not. etc. etc. etc. But usually, the people who are not "the favored ones" complain about the decision-making and claim that some sort of unfairness was involved. Sometimes they are right: sometimes they are not.

We can't tell anything from this OP's original post. Maybe he is a victim. Maybe he has not. I just know that in my extensive experience on both sides of situation (as the student that the instructor didn't like ... and as a faculty member myself) ... I have rarely (but occasionally) seen outright discrimination against men in the profession. The typical situation involves a student (male or female) who simply has poor political and/or communication skills who struggles with "reading" the situation and what the instructor is looking for.

I find everyone's responses to be very disturbing as a whole. I was not expecting that response when I suggested 'what if a female medical student was expelled because a male patient refused to work with a female doctor.' And the answer, that nobody disagreed with, was that it would be totally acceptable for a female medical student to be kicked out of medical school because one male patient refused to work with a female doctor. Apparently, it would be "ridiculous" for that medical student to have a problem with that decision. She should just move on with her life and accept that she wasn't cut out to be a doctor.

I very much doubt that anybody would be okay with that. I certainly would not.

But with my case, not only is it okay that the gender issue was specifically stated as a reason for my "failure," but in addition, it is obvious that there are all kinds of things that I'm obviously not mentioning that justify my failure.

Everyone in this discussion is trying to avoid what is actually being talked about by saying childish things like, "The patient can refuse a male nurse if she wants." OKAY. Nobody ever said a patient can't refuse a male nurse, or a black nurse, or a gay nurse. Whatever the patient wants. I never said the patient can't do that. I never said the patient failed me for "gender discrimination." That has never had anything to do with what I have been saying, and it is ridiculous to suggest that because I think it is wrong for an instructor to fail a student for being disallowed from a procedure due to his gender that that must mean that I think patients have no right to choose the gender of their patient.

The question is whether it is okay to fail a nursing student based on a procedure that was not performed due to the patient preferring female over male. Or a straight over a gay. Or a white over a black.

You can't say it is okay for a school to make a decision even partly based on these distinctions unless you think it is okay to say, "men shouldn't be nurses," "blacks shouldn't be nurses," "gays shouldn't be nurses."

Anyway, I think everyone's responses as a whole are very disturbing.

The typical situation involves a student (male or female) who simply has poor political and/or communication skills who struggles with "reading" the situation and what the instructor is looking for.

So . . . usually it is the student's fault for not realizing what (besides being a good nurse) the instructor is looking for. If the student is doing everything that is asked of him or her and being a good nurse and there is something "missing" because they lack some vague "political skills" than that means that their instructor is the one who should get fired.

Political skills isn't part of nursing.

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

Yes sadly enough political skills are VERY much apart of nursing.

You may not like what your instructor has done but you will need to learn how to deal with situations like these when you start working.llg said it very well.

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Plus I don't believe for one minute that the instructor failed you because you didn't do one procedure. What other issues did this instructor have with you?

Yes sadly enough political skills are VERY much apart of nursing.

If political skills are what nursing is all about: (1) How have you provided better care to a patient by having "political skills" or how is it that "political skills" are more important than the kinds of skills that actually have an impact on the quality of patient care? (2) Why don't instructors evaluate "political skills" rather than making up BS about other areas such as, "You lack initiative because you didn't do one procedure." That would make things way easier, because then they could simply evaluate your "political skills" directly.

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

Political as you need to learn how get along with people. Accept criticism gracefully. Follow instructions.You need to read what llg said:

The typical situation involves a student (male or femalearrow-10x10.png) who simply has poor political and/or communication skills who struggles with "reading" the situation and what the instructor is looking for.

I also notice you are evading the question regarding what other issues did this instructor have with you? Obviously this wasn't your first run in with her.

I'm assuming you mean, "Political skills are very much 'a part' of nursing," not, "Political skills are very much apart from nursing," as either interpretation would be equally plausible based on your first sentence . . . indicating a lack of "political skills," which is remarkable considering how the entire point of nursing school is to weed out those with a lack of "political skills."

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

So what other run ins did you have with this instructor? I sense you not being very honest with us.

Political as you need to learn how get along with people. Accept criticism gracefully. Follow instructions.You need to read what llg said:

The typical situation involves a student (male or femalearrow-10x10.png) who simply has poor political and/or communication skills who struggles with "reading" the situation and what the instructor is looking for.

I also notice you are evading the question regarding what other issues did this instructor have with you? Obviously this wasn't your first run in with her.

If getting along with people was relevant to my situation, as was not stated by either me or my instructor, but you apparently have the right to assume and retroactively insert that judgment against me in a situation you don't know anything about . . . why didn't my instructor state a lack of "ability to get along with people"? as a reason for failing me.

Interesting oversight on her part . . . another clue that makes me question whether or not "political skills" are the true fundamental skill of nursing as you are suggesting.

So what other run ins did you have with this instructor? I sense you not being very honest with us.

In spite of your "sensing" of 'me' directly, which implies supernatural ability . . .

I sense that you didn't read the original post, which explained how the specific issues I was bringing up related not only to my own experience but also to what I observed to be the general practice of the school . . . which is actually what the original thread was about.

Specializes in Primary Care, OR.

Ok so you want us all to say yes poor thing you were wrongly dropped from your program. Your instructor is the big bad wolf out to get you because your a guy/black/blue/orange or whatever else your rambling about.

but you wrote this in your original post.

This behavior started literally on day one, which I think disproves any possible claim that her ill will towards me was based on anything other than some sort of prejudice. She proceeded to seek out opportunities to misrepresent events in order to make me look bad, presumably so she could build a case against me to fail me.


Which lead many to understand that this incident you speak of is not the only run in with the big bad wolf. Quit evading. Where's the rest of your story?

This thread is quite interesting.

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