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Is this mental abuse???

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I work for a home care agency, and had to call off due to sickness. Another nurse came to sub for me. All we are contracted to so is a complete physical assessment and whatever is in the care plan. This particular patient has a mental illness and she needed her medications passed to her. However, the sub has told her that she can be her nurse instead of me and she will help her take care of her and her kids. She doesn't even have legal custody of her kids, but they spend the night sometimes. She has also given the client her personal phone number, which we are not allowed to do. The sub told her that she can call her anytime. In my client's mind, since the nurse lives closer to her than I do, that she can call her for emergencies and she will come. Well, that's not in our job descriptions, and the county doesn't allow us to do that. This is not even her client! According to our policies,we can not give out our phone numbers out or do anything outside of the care plan. Well, the client also has an independent provider that helps her with errands and other social needs. The independent provider was PISSED that someone came in to promise her things that we as nurses are not allowed to do. She said that if our agency doesn't fix it, she's reporting the sub nurse for mental abuse because it has caused her "anxiety." The client herself told her that she loved me and did nothing wrong. I explained to the provider that the client is not to have our phone numbers or call us for "emergencies," or respond. I guess my question is, could someone making false promises considered mental abuse to a mentally ill patient? What can I do?

Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN

Specializes in OR, education. Has 16 years experience.

I don't know about being abuse, but it is most definitely a boundary issue and a potential ethics conflict. It needs to be reported to the employer.

LessValuableNinja

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance. Has 8 years experience.

I find it helpful to stay in my responsibilities for things like that. I don't fully understand the situation, but it sounds like the provider spoke to you about this, and that management is not currently involved. Is that correct?

loriangel14, RN

Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

It's not abuse but it is outside of professional boundaries for sure. You need to tell your employer.

Yes, the provider spoke to me about it, and I spoke to management. The provider hasn't spoken to management yet. I asked her before calling the board on us, please resolve it with management.

LessValuableNinja

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance. Has 8 years experience.

Sounds like you did your part then. Did management give you any direction?

sallyrnrrt, ADN, RN

Specializes in critical care, ER,ICU, CVSURG, CCU.

Geeeeeeeeeeze what a messs

Nipper48

Has 35 years experience.

Report this to your manager immediately.. it is not abuse, it is unethical and beyond any professional scope of practice.. it can become a legal issue for the sub nurse and your agency.... document everything you know, hear or were told with date and time and give it to your manager...

Report this to your manager immediately.. it is not abuse, it is unethical and beyond any professional scope of practice.. it can become a legal issue for the sub nurse and your agency.... document everything you know, hear or were told with date and time and give it to your manager...

Holy Necrothread Batman!!!

Emergent, RN

Specializes in ER. Has 28 years experience.

The provider is being overly dramatic and somehow trying to turn herself in a victim. Ridiculous. Of course, the sub was being unprofessional and should be called on the carpet, but, no, let's make it all about me.

Tell the provider to contact her lawyer, she's got at least a million dollar lawsuit here...

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The provider is being overly dramatic and somehow trying to turn herself in a victim. Ridiculous. Of course, the sub was being unprofessional and should be called on the carpet, but, no, let's make it all about me.

Tell the provider to contact her lawyer, she's got at least a million dollar lawsuit here...

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Hey E. Look at the date of the post.:whistling:

The provider is being overly dramatic and somehow trying to turn herself in a victim. Ridiculous. Of course, the sub was being unprofessional and should be called on the carpet, but, no, let's make it all about me.

Tell the provider to contact her lawyer, she's got at least a million dollar lawsuit here...

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Since all of this took place nearly two years ago, I imagine the situation has been resolved by now, one way or another.