Is that even legal?

[BettyBoop01]

There is a posting for a position available at a local physicians office, they are looking for a nurse to assist with Cosmetic Surgery. It says, "resumes without photos will not be considered" So I cant help but wonder, if you are more qualified but someone else looks more the part, who gets the job? And who would you want taking care of you after surgery?

[dudette10, MSN, RN]

I hate to admit it, but I can see the point in wanting attractive people in a plastic surgeon's office. I've been known to walk into a place to get my hair cut and walk right back out if a stylist's hair looks worse than mine does. If I wanted plastic surgery, and one of the office or healthcare workers had really bad plastic surgery, I would walk right out also.

Anyway, beauty often has more to do with grooming and attitude than genes. Haven't you looked at the "without makeup" pictures of Hollywood starlets? The difference is grooming, not looks.

[greenfiremajick]

Godwin's Law! And it only took 3 pages this time.

Except for the fact that this particular issue is very relevant to not accepting certain people due to their race (appearance). Additionally, this comparison was not inappropriate nor overly dramatic, etc. I hardly see where my comment in answer to another's post made that poster, my "opponent." Finally, if one were to truly believe in this theory (def not a law), they would have to believe that responding to someone on a chat board constitutes some sort of "war" or "fight," thereby showing that I have "lost" some sort of battle. Sorry, but responding to posts from someone else hardly qualifies as a battle, to me.................

At any rate, I still contend that someone who openly discriminates against another due to their appearance is lacking in education, intelligence, and sensitivity. Hitler was a man that believed in exterminating and torturing those he didn't think were worthy...When we start down the road of being able to choose others specifically due to their appearance, we are acting like animals, shallow, empty people, or again.....dun dun dun....HITLER (and other megalomaniac leaders in the past, present, and future) There, now I'm done....

[indigonurse]

The legal definition of discrimination includes words such as sex, race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry, disability, marital status, sexual orientation, etc. Asking for a picture is not using discriminatory language and you can't prove what someones intentions are.

[greenfiremajick]

The legal definition of discrimination includes words such as sex, race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry, disability, marital status, sexual orientation, etc. Asking for a picture is not using discriminatory language and you can't prove what someones intentions are.

This is so very true. And if they employ less than 15 people, it doesn't matter anyway because they can engage in that practice without legality issues, anyway........

[dudette10, MSN, RN]

Except for the fact that this particular issue is very relevant to not accepting certain people due to their race (appearance).

The OP did not mention race; it mentioned attractiveness. There's a difference. At least I hope we all recognize there's difference.

When we start down the road of being able to choose others specifically due to their appearance, we are acting like animals, shallow, empty people, or again.....dun dun dun....HITLER (and other megalomaniac leaders in the past, present, and future) There, now I'm done....

I realize I'm taking this out of context, but we can't ignore that normal, very non-Hitler like people do it every day. I don't know how you pick your intimate partners, but I picked my husband in part because I was attracted to him physically.

I have to ask: would you hire someone with bad grooming? I still contend that attractiveness has to do with grooming, not strictly appearance. I've never seen a well-groomed person who I deemed unattractive.

[dudette10, MSN, RN]

And I would also like to add that there are plenty of places like gyms that hire overweight people to show that others don't have to be shy about joining

The bolding indicates hiring certain people based on appearance for a marketing reason is acceptable to you. Why would hiring someone based on attractiveness at a plastic surgery office be any different?

[greenfiremajick]

The OP said nothing about attractiveness; that is simply how you inferred it.....Overall, to me, the OP was mentioning appearances. In regards to race and attractiveness/appearances, a lot of it does have to do with attractiveness and what people like in how someone looks.

Here's an example....When I was a kid, I was FASCINATED and scared all at the same time, to be around AA's because their hair was so different--I was literally scared to touch it (plus I was raised in the south where racism was a regularly occurring more/social habit)....Even as a child, I realized my bias/fear was ridiculous and I worked to overcome it. I now have AA children with hair that I fix and work with on a regular basis (which still fascinates me, but in a good way--I think it's beautiful, now!). Had I decided to NOT try and rise above my silly PREJUDICE in my childhood, due to their different appearance, I could have been the biggest racist on the planet, eventually convincing myself of other reasons why anybody different than me, (or solely focusing on AA's) should be shunned and/or unfairly judged....

Everyone judges appearance however, in most cases it is important to act in a more evolved manner and look past those judgments, if they are not grounded in acceptance and decency. Would you hire a knockout, gorgeous person over a competent person? If your husband had been mentally, like a box of rocks, or mean-spirited, etc would you have chosen him just for his looks? My point, is that looks are just a bonus. We are supposed to be more evolved than animals.....

The OP did not mention race; it mentioned attractiveness. There's a difference. At least I hope we all recognize there's difference.

I realize I'm taking this out of context, but we can't ignore that normal, very non-Hitler like people do it every day. I don't know how you pick your intimate partners, but I picked my husband in part because I was attracted to him physically.

I have to ask: would you hire someone with bad grooming? I still contend that attractiveness has to do with grooming, not strictly appearance. I've never seen a well-groomed person who I deemed unattractive.

[greenfiremajick]

The OP did not mention race; it mentioned attractiveness. There's a difference. At least I hope we all recognize there's difference.

Attractiveness is based on many factors, inherent in every person's likes/dislikes, etc. However, it is important that we are able to judge (hate that word) a person's "acceptability" (as if we ever had that right in the 1st place) in regards to employment, socialization, employment, etc. I don't believe we should have the right to judge or decide whether someone is acceptable, at all but we all use judging mechanisms to cope....If you take something as broad as appearances and begin to judge them, in regards to working environments, then we begin to use other factors as a way to judge, as well. Look at the huge amount of teen girls that think they must have the body and prepubescent boy in order to be attractive, just because fashion designers want their clothes to lay right on the models body. The media has portrayed what is "acceptable" to girls for quite a few years and it has done a LOT of damage.....

But anyway, as usual, this is my own opinion. You are completely free to have your own, of course!

[pedicurn, LPN, RN]

There is a posting for a position available at a local physicians office, they are looking for a nurse to assist with Cosmetic Surgery. It says, "resumes without photos will not be considered" So I cant help but wonder, if you are more qualified but someone else looks more the part, who gets the job? And who would you want taking care of you after surgery?

Likely the attractive qualified nurse would get the job.

I don't think this is discrimination .... it's important that staff present a certain image in that field.

Also, imagine this ad would mainly attract nurses interested in appearance medicine so there would be few/no nurses feeling discriminated

[greenfiremajick]

imagine this ad would mainly attract nurses interested in appearance medicine so there would be few/no nurses feeling discriminated

or nurses wanting that discount so they can have a buttload o' work done at discounted prices.......

[pedicurn, LPN, RN]

or nurses wanting that discount so they can have a buttload o' work done at discounted prices.......

oh yeah .... that's a thought. I bet they use the machines and leftover botox .... probably the only speciality with decent perks