Is having a ADN useless these days?

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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Do employers favor those with a BSN ?

Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.
I give up.

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Specializes in ICU.
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Good game, good game.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
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UPMC Mercy is hiring a Part-Time Professional Staff Nurse, BSN .

*** I meant to say that I had never seen a "BSN required" for a staff nurse job in WISCONSIN. I thought it was clear I was referring to Wisconsin but maybe not. Obviously anyone who spends any time reading Allnurses knows there are hospitals in other areas of the country that require BSN for staff nurses (at least for now). Not being a resident of OK and never having worked there and never having spent any time looking at job adds there I would not presume to try to describe what goes on there.

I am not even saying there are no "BSN required" staff nurse job in Wisconsin, just that I have never seen one and I spend a fair amount of time looking.

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Specializes in Med/Surg.

triquee-

Just out of curiosity, are you currently enrolled in a nursing program?

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Nursing is difficult, but its not rocket science. Why discount people with bachelors degrees in other fields that have attained an RN thru an ADN program. They make no distinction in M.D.s with different bachelor degrees.

Right, they alll have different degrees (with the same required prereqs) and then they enter medical school. There is only one version of medical school. That's where it's different. There's two different versions of RN school (three actually).

The MD analogy doesn't work here because it's not about what you've taken already, it's about the fact that an ADN RN has not taken the upper division nursing classes. It's really that simple.

Your point seems to be that those classes are worthless, and I disagree. They are not worthless fluff, and they are not equivalent to upper level business classes.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
I give up. The pervasive hostility and lack of respect for baccalaureate nursing education - I just give up here.

*** I don't have more or less respect for a BSN prepared nurse than I do for an ADN, diploma or direct entry MSN prepared nurse. I respect good nurses, their method into practice is not something I take into consideration.

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Specializes in Med/Surg.
Right, they alll have different degrees (with the same required prereqs) and then they enter medical school. There is only one version of medical school. That's where it's different. There's two different versions of RN school (three actually).

The MD analogy doesn't work here because it's not about what you've taken already, it's about the fact that an ADN RN has not taken the upper division nursing classes. It's really that simple.

Your point seems to be that those classes are worthless, and I disagree. They are not worthless fluff, and they are not equivalent to upper level business classes.

This about sums it up. I think most of us can (hopefully?) agree on the fact that an ADN is far from useless. It is a fantastic accomplishment. Yet, on the other hand, many (not all) hospitals are now posting jobs as "BSN preferred" or "BSN required." Job opportunities are scarce for all new grads, but the BSN may have a slight advantage in aquiring the coveted new graduate position.

I would never criticize any ADN program (never have), and am pretty shocked at how readily nurses/students will continually try and discredit the hard work that myself and many other BSN's have done. Face it, ADN's and BSN's alike bust their behind to get to graduation day. But, the two degrees are different. That's the point.

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Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.
The faculty don't have anything to do with tuition costs or setting transfer credit requirements/limits. That's the administration's job. In fact, I'll bet faculty are also "restricted" in what they can and can't do by credit limits/requirements in some situations.

Edit: Oooooh, I see now...

Are you seriously trying to send out a distress signal to the nurse educators on the boards to jump in on the "fluff" discussion because you're having a difficult time proving a point?

triquee,

I am done discussing this topic. I do see, though, that you just edited your post and added this comment. It is not helpful or accurate for you to presume you know my thoughts or intentions.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
There's two different versions of RN school (three actually).

*** I can think of 5 methods of entry into RN practice off the top of my head.

Diploma

ADN

California's 30 unit option

BSN / Accelerated BSN

Direct entry MSN

There may be a sixth. I know in some states there where certain condition under which some people could challenge the NCLEX but I don't know if that is true anymore.

I only went to nursing school for 9 months and earned (by taking classes) 32 college credits to be an RN. I did RN to BSN (paid for by the hospital) in 18 months of online classes at a CCNE accredited university. It was easy. I have never taken chem or A&P in a college environment. The BSN was easy to do as a working nurse. Would have been impossible to do in my situation before becoming an RN.

I now work in the SICU of a large, Magnet certified (whoop-ti-do) tertiary care, teaching hospital/ trauma center. I am CCRN and CEN certified and seem to be well respected by my peers and physicians I work with. I get paid absolutely nothing more for having a BSN , but I do for being certified. I am very well paid. I am starting a new job with a new hospital that has a program to pay for grad school.

My ADN has served me very well. In my job search ICU experience, certification, charge experience, teaching, precepting and things like evidence based projects I have done & PICC certification counted for a lot more than my BSN.

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Specializes in Med/Surg.
*** I can think of 5 methods of entry into RN practice off the top of my head.

I only went to nursing school for 9 months and earned (by taking classes) 32 college credits to be an RN. I did RN to BSN (paid for by the hospital) in 18 months of online classes at a CCNE accredited university. It was easy. I have never taken chem or A&P in a college environment. The BSN was easy to do as a working nurse. Would have been impossible to do in my situation before becoming an RN.

I now work in the SICU of a large, Magnet certified (whoop-ti-do) tertiary care, teaching hospital/ trauma center. I am CCRN and CEN certified and seem to be well respected by my peers and physicians I work with. I get paid absolutely nothing more for having a BSN , but I do for being certified. I am very well paid. I am starting a new job with a new hospital that has a program to pay for grad school.

My ADN has served me very well. In my job search ICU experience, certification, charge experience, teaching, precepting and things like evidence based projects I have done & PICC certification counted for a lot more than my BSN.

That's so great! Seems as though you made very good choices. Unfortunately, in these times, the problem is the ADN getting his/her foot in the door. I know there is a real issue with this in my area. Also, many hospitals around here do not guarantee tuition reimbursement for higher education. I always knew that I would want to be a NP someday, hence why I chose to jump into BSN right away (among other reasons).

Thanks for sharing your career story, it's nice to hear when people are successful.:nurse:

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I didn't say entry into the professon, I said kinds of RN school.

No matter the path, there are three different educational levels: diploma, ADN, and BSN.

Technically, you can add MSN....but they come out with more than an RN so I didn't include them .

So, I stand by my original statement that there are three different levels of RN education.

*** I can think of 5 methods of entry into RN practice off the top of my head.

Diploma

ADN

California's 30 unit option

BSN / Accelerated BSN

Direct entry MSN

There may be a sixth. I know in some states there where certain condition under which some people could challenge the NCLEX but I don't know if that is true anymore.

I only went to nursing school for 9 months and earned (by taking classes) 32 college credits to be an RN. I did RN to BSN (paid for by the hospital) in 18 months of online classes at a CCNE accredited university. It was easy. I have never taken chem or A&P in a college environment. The BSN was easy to do as a working nurse. Would have been impossible to do in my situation before becoming an RN.

I now work in the SICU of a large, Magnet certified (whoop-ti-do) tertiary care, teaching hospital/ trauma center. I am CCRN and CEN certified and seem to be well respected by my peers and physicians I work with. I get paid absolutely nothing more for having a BSN , but I do for being certified. I am very well paid. I am starting a new job with a new hospital that has a program to pay for grad school.

My ADN has served me very well. In my job search ICU experience, certification, charge experience, teaching, precepting and things like evidence based projects I have done & PICC certification counted for a lot more than my BSN.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

Technically, you can add MSN....but they come out with more than an RN so I didn't include them.

*** Really? I didn't know that. We have several working in our SICU and they just do regular staff nursing right beside the ADNs and BSN. What is it they come out with in addition to RN?

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