Is having a ADN useless these days?

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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Do employers favor those with a BSN ?

Oh yeah. There's plenty of fluff. Even more than I originally thought, having recently engaged in a discussion about nursing theory.

Maybe you should try attending a more challenging university if you are so unfulfilled with the class offerings for your current program. Maybe a more selective university might help you feel like you aren't taking fluff :)

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

" But a BSN and an ABSN (I have an ABSN) are the same thing -"

*** Ya, that's why I counted the same, as one.

"And a direct entry MSN STILL fulfills the BSN requirement since they have to complete the NCLEX before they can get the MSN."

*** I don't know that it always does. For example some employers (like the VA and University of Wisconsin Hospital) require a nurse with an MSN to also have a BSN for some promotions. Here is an excerpt from a VA job describing the qualifications for a VA nurse III:

"Nurse III - Master's degree in nursing or related field with BSN and approximately 2-3 years experience"

"I wouldn't really count CA's option because that's not really readily available to everyone - just LVNs in California (or who hold a CA license) and it's not recognized outside of the state (or that's what I've read online, anyway). To get recognized anywhere else, they're having to get a traditional ADN."

*** Obviously I counted it as I was just listing all the ways one could become an RN I could think of. What you say about the 30 unit option is true, however you will find 30 unit RNs with CA license working all over the country in government nursing jobs.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Maybe you should try attending a more challenging university if you are so unfulfilled with the class offerings for your current program. Maybe a more selective university might help you feel like you aren't taking fluff :)

For many of us getting the BSN is just about getting a box checked. It's is needed for a certain job or promotion or grad school. That was all it was for me. I did the BSN because I had to have it to qualify for what I wanted to do. The criteria I used to pick a BSN program where, in this order:

1. Convenience

2. Cost

3. Time to completion

I wasn't interested in yet more challenge.

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Maybe you should try attending a more challenging university if you are so unfulfilled with the class offerings for your current program. Maybe a more selective university might help you feel like you aren't taking fluff :)

You're confused. Read the thread in its entirety. Pay particular attention to my responses. Focus on reading for comprehension. I'll wait.

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For many of us getting the BSN is just about getting a box checked. It's is needed for a certain job or promotion or grad school. That was all it was for me. I did the BSN because I had to have it to qualify for what I wanted to do. The criteria I used to pick a BSN program where, in this order:

1. Convenience

2. Cost

3. Time to completion

I wasn't interested in yet more challenge.

From your description, you got what you paid for....you got a box checked.

I think it's unfortunate that there are check box programs.

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Oh yeah. There's plenty of fluff. Even more than I originally thought, having recently engaged in a discussion about nursing theory.

Engaging in a discussion about theory is not the same as participating in the course.

Also, a BSN doesn't require just a nursing theory class.

Again, I'm so tired of everyone calling the courses in the BSN program fluff! Geez people. Some people worked hard on these courses to earn their degree, just like others worked hard for their ADN. I don't see people attacking the ADN program calling it fluff, so why do you feel the need to attack the BSN people?

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Engaging in a discussion about theory is not the same as participating in the course.

You're right. Participation in the course would require me to pay thousands of dollars to come to the same conclusion. It isn't as though nursing theory is super secret and I know how to read.

Also, a BSN doesn't require just a nursing theory class.

Above and beyond the breadth of courses I've already taken for my BS and will take for my ADN, theory is really all that's left.

I don't see people attacking the ADN program calling it fluff...

That's because it isn't. The ADN program effectively shaves off the fluff. And no one is attacking BSNs or BSN programs. What I've seen here are people taking a discerning look at the content of BSN programs and making decisions about what they're willing to pay for and deciding that perhaps they'd rather bypass the prospect of wasted time and money while still being able to accomplish their goal.

An ADN suits me just fine. I have zero interest in going on to masters or doctorate level study in nursing. I take that back...Unless it is for advanced clinical training and guess what? I can do that without a BSN.

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From your description, you got what you paid for....you got a box checked.

I think it's unfortunate that there are check box programs.

We can't all be theorists. If we were, nothing would ever get done.

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Triquee, I'm really surprised you're 30 years old. Based on the way you talk and how you're so unwilling to see any point other than the one you keep repeating, I thought you were in your late teens or early 20s. I never would have thought you were older than me.

This reminds me of the day on The View when Barbara Walters finally said to Elizabeth: We have listened to you and all your views for months now and by now many people in the Republican party have agreed that McCain made a mistake with Palin and yet you refuse to say 'maybe it wasn't the best choice', you refuse to acknowledge that perhaps she was not qualified. Of course I paraphrased what Barbara said, but you really remind me of that situation. You keep repeating the same things over and over without listening to logic. And by the way, no one EVER said an ADN was useless.

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you're right. participation in the course would require me to pay thousands of dollars to come to the same conclusion. it isn't as though nursing theory is super secret and i know how to read.

you seriously think you can understand an entire college course based on a website discussion board on allnurses? wow. :uhoh3: guess i can call myself a hematologist then since i know so much about hematology from all of my reading. :lol2:

above and beyond the breadth of courses i've already taken for my bs and will take for my adn, theory is really all that's left. really all that's left and all that is left are two different things. meaning, there are other courses you would need to take to get the bsn.

that's because it isn't. the adn program effectively shaves off the fluff. and no one is attacking bsns or bsn programs. what i've seen here are people taking a discerning look at the content of bsn programs and making decisions about what they're willing to pay for and deciding that perhaps they'd rather bypass the prospect of wasted time and money while still being able to accomplish their goal. and what i've seen is you keep calling the bsn "fluff." you call bsn's "theorists" also. really? so the bsn's take fluff courses and are a bunch of theorists. i do consider that an attack. what a great attitude.

an adn suits me just fine. i have zero interest in going on to masters or doctorate level study in nursing. i take that back...unless it is for advanced clinical training and i can do that without a bsn.

it's fine if you do not feel a bsn will do you any good. and it's fine to say that you don't think a bsn is worth your time or money. but there is no reason for you to sit there and say the bsn is a fluff program that produces theorists.

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Triquee, I'm really surprised you're 30 years old. Based on the way you talk and how you're so unwilling to see any point other than the one you keep repeating, I thought you were in your late teens or early 20s. I never would have thought you were older than me.

This reminds me of the day on The View when Barbara Walters finally said to Elizabeth: We have listened to you and all your views for months now and even at this point many people in the Republican party have agreed that McCain made a mistake with Palin and yet you refuse to say 'maybe it wasn't the best choice'. Of course I paraphrased what Barbara said, but you really remind me of that situation.

:lol2:

I'm immature because I don't agree with you? I'll take it!

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I don't like the vibe coming from some of these posts.

I edited this because I don't want to accuse anyone of anything or cut anyone down, just wondering if anyone else got the same vibe or if its just me reading too much into things.

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